pete rose: What a Hitter & What a Scumbag !!

[nolemmings]

It's not the gambling addict that deserves disdain and contempt-- it is the liar. Even an addict who needs to lie to maintain his addiction could deserve some sympathy or understanding, I would suppose, but I assume a reformed or recovering addict would show remorse/contrition and acknowledgment of his past problems, not: a) deny and lie about betting on baseball at all for 11 years, and b) deny for 26 years and counting that he bet on baseball while a player.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

It's not the gambling addict that deserves disdain and contempt-- it is the liar. Even an addict who needs to lie to maintain his addiction could deserve some sympathy or understanding, I would suppose, but I assume a reformed or recovering addict would show remorse/contrition and acknowledgment of his past problems, not: a) deny and lie about betting on baseball at all for 11 years, and b) deny for 26 years and counting that he bet on baseball while a player.

The real problem is that he thinks he was and is bigger than the game. Instead of revering the game and protecting its integrity, he used it for personal gain with no regard to behavioral acceptances.

[Frank A]

But remember, he only bet on baseball as a manager and not a player. Right. Also he only bet on the Reds. Right. Who in their right mind would believe anything this lyer says.

[packs]

This guy is a bum. A man who feels remorse admits what he did without prompting. A coward continues to deny, deny, deny, and even after being caught red handed, will continue to dismiss the seriousness of what they've done.

Pete Rose should not ever be elected to the HOF and he should be shunned by baseball for eternity.

[JoeDfan]

Yeah, he bet on baseball. Yeah, he lied about it. We all know it.
But watching him play baseball was one of the greatest times in my life. I have seen a lot of people play, but I have never seen anyone, ANYONE, play like Pete.

We have juicers in baseball. We have racists, and domestic abusers, and coke fiends. Boozers and skirt chasers. Baseball is not squeaky clean. It never has been, and I doubt it ever will be. But that is what makes it unique, it is a history and a chronicle and a reflection of us. If baseball is dirty, it is only because we, the fans, made it that way.

I think it is unfair to keep Pete out of the Hall. I am not saying we should canonize the guy, and rename him St. Peter. He should NOT be allowed to manage any more teams.

I personally forgive Pete, and think that before it is too late, we should finally let him come home. But not for Pete. For me. I don't want to end my days thinking that I was too selfish to forgive someone who made stupid mistakes. I know I have made mine.

Ok, well, my mistakes didn't exactly involve ten grand on the Reds when I am the lead off hitter.
In fact, now that I think about it, my life mistakes don't seem too bad, compared to that.
Well, I don't know about all of you, but I suddenly feel much better about my life.

Thanks Pete!

[vintagetoppsguy]

“Scumbag“
“pile of crap“
“liar“
“bum“
“coward“


Yup, he's all that and a whole lot more. I agree with you guys. However, I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame. It's the HOF, not the Hall of Integrity.

Originally Posted by JoeDfan

I think it is unfair to keep Pete out of the Hall. I

+1

[RTK]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

“Scumbag“
“pile of crap“
“liar“
“bum“
“coward“


Yup, he's all that and a whole lot more. I agree with you guys. However, I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame. It's the HOF, not the Hall of Integrity. +1

Not while he's alive, if at all. It seemed as if baseball was moving towards Rose but I'm sure this shuts down any hope. Joe Jackson is more deserving of being forgiven and making the Hall. I always saw Jackson as "the canary in the mine" , if he made it in, Rose would. Rose is his own worst enemy, great player though in his prime, but I wonder when the evidence will come out he bet against his team.