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Old 06-19-2015, 05:56 AM
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As far as the bidders I have not studied the patterns but there could be any number of reasonable explanations. His auctions have huge followings and run almost constantly. Perhaps there really are that many people who like to bid on his stuff exclusively. Some collectors, myself included, have very unfocused collections, including different time eras and sports. Or perhaps they're all being shilled. Very difficult to prove either way.
I'm starting to wonder if you're actually posting honestly yourself. No one can be this aggressivey clueless. You "haven't studied the patterns?" How about dozens of underbidders who bid almost exclusively on PWCC auctions, cards in every sport, and also have high bid retraction rates? You need to "study" that? If your eyeballs are working that should be enough.

It's a real shame you weren't around eight years ago -- you would have been Mastro's biggest defender.
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I'm starting to wonder if you're actually posting honestly yourself. No one can be this aggressivey clueless. You "haven't studied the patterns?" How about dozens of underbidders who bid almost exclusively on PWCC auctions, cards in every sport, and also have high bid retraction rates? You need to "study" that? If your eyeballs are working that should be enough.

It's a real shame you weren't around eight years ago -- you would have been Mastro's biggest defender.
I am posting honestly and don't believe that simply having a high percentage with one seller is evidence the bidder is shilling. However, the high retraction rate would be a clear indicator, in my opinion.

And Peter, I hadn't seen that invoice before. Apparently I was mistaken. My apologies.
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With perhaps a few exceptions, I don't think any one auction, or the habits of any one bidder, are enough to draw conclusions. But when one sees patterns, auction after auction, month after month, year after year, bidder after bidder, one does get strongly suspicious. And Jesse, no worries.
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