Top 20 high end auctions Probstein123

[MetsBaseball1973]

For what it might possibly be worth, which is probably somewhere around zero, I have a very high bidding percentage on PWCC and Probstein at various times.......and yet I am not a shill. A moron at times, for sure, for not pulling the trigger on great cards I later regret passing on....but not a shill. Just offering that bidding percentage is but one indicator and not ironclad proof that a bidder is shady.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are 80 PSA 10 Montana rookies. Obviously there is a sheetload more 9s, but the point is that it is not even close to being a rare card. And, outside the holder, fungible. Will those artificial values last? Who knows.

[pokerplyr80]

I wouldn't pay 12-15k for one unless my net worth was substantially higher but there appears to be no shortage of people who are willing. My Montana RC is just a psa 8 because I didn't feel like paying for a 9 at the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I wouldn't pay 12-15k for one unless my net worth was substantially higher but there appears to be no shortage of people who are willing. My Montana RC is just a psa 8 because I didn't feel like paying for a 9 at the time.

When I saw a Seaver rookie bump from an 8 to a 9 and then to a 10, that pretty much made me a cynic about flips. That, and I guy I knew who used to submit large quantities of Jordan 9s at a show people attended for the sole purpose of getting bumps and always got back a reasonable number of 10s. Fungible. That, and the time PSA's then-president came up to a dealer I knew on a slow Sunday afternoon at a show and asked if he needed anything, and promptly brought back several major cards in higher grade holders. That and.... I could go on.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When I saw a Seaver rookie bump from an 8 to a 9 and then to a 10, that pretty much made me a cynic about flips. That, and I guy I knew who used to submit large quantities of Jordan 9s at a show people attended for the sole purpose of getting bumps and always got back a reasonable number of 10s. Fungible.

It's definitely a fine line but for an 8 to get a bump to a 10 shows there's a major flaw in the process. That's about a 10k swing on the Jordan rc right now, maybe I'm in the wrong business. With my luck though I'd end up damaging the card trying to crack it out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Back then you didn't even have to crack them out. Just hand them in at the show. I don't think that happens any more, but it's still arbitrary and you can't convince me that for some mega submitters there is not an element of preferential treatment.

[Touch'EmAll]

And then there is a really nice 1921 Walter Johnson Exhibit PSA 5 on ebay right now for a mere $459. How many of these are out there? One of the greatest pitchers of all time and true vintage. I just don't get it. Jeez, I already have the '21 Johnson, but am thinking hard about pulling trigger. I just don't get it.

[pokerplyr80]

Yea like I always see Leon say the demand side of the demand vs supply curve is far more important in card collecting. And right now there is a high demand for high grade PSA HOF rookies. Maybe it's the competitive side of collectors and the registry driving up the prices.