Top 20 high end auctions Probstein123

[Peter_Spaeth]

Big bidder on PWCC high end cards too.

[pokerplyr80]

I don't think they'll end up going a whole lot higher than they're at now. Those cards are all worth what they're at though.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think they'll end up going a whole lot higher than they're at now. Those cards are all worth what they're at though.

nevermind...

[Brian Van Horn]

What would be interesting would be a study of PWCC and Probstein's results followed by when a buyer would resell the card. Also, add in the relistings of both PWCC and Probstein a month or two later and figure in those results. There would be overlap between these stats.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think they'll end up going a whole lot higher than they're at now. Those cards are all worth what they're at though.

Certain HOF rookies are off the charts these days for whatever reason, and it's hard to understand because for the most part they are not difficult to find even in high grade. And it's an old discussion, but paying 12K for a Montana card that but for the flip is fungible with a $500 9? Well, to each his own.

[MetsBaseball1973]

For what it might possibly be worth, which is probably somewhere around zero, I have a very high bidding percentage on PWCC and Probstein at various times.......and yet I am not a shill. A moron at times, for sure, for not pulling the trigger on great cards I later regret passing on....but not a shill. Just offering that bidding percentage is but one indicator and not ironclad proof that a bidder is shady.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are 80 PSA 10 Montana rookies. Obviously there is a sheetload more 9s, but the point is that it is not even close to being a rare card. And, outside the holder, fungible. Will those artificial values last? Who knows.

[pokerplyr80]

I wouldn't pay 12-15k for one unless my net worth was substantially higher but there appears to be no shortage of people who are willing. My Montana RC is just a psa 8 because I didn't feel like paying for a 9 at the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I wouldn't pay 12-15k for one unless my net worth was substantially higher but there appears to be no shortage of people who are willing. My Montana RC is just a psa 8 because I didn't feel like paying for a 9 at the time.

When I saw a Seaver rookie bump from an 8 to a 9 and then to a 10, that pretty much made me a cynic about flips. That, and I guy I knew who used to submit large quantities of Jordan 9s at a show people attended for the sole purpose of getting bumps and always got back a reasonable number of 10s. Fungible. That, and the time PSA's then-president came up to a dealer I knew on a slow Sunday afternoon at a show and asked if he needed anything, and promptly brought back several major cards in higher grade holders. That and.... I could go on.

[pokerplyr80]

These may be shilled, or it could just be a couple of collectors bidding close to what the card is worth and then waiting until right before the end for a last minute snipe. The pattern does look suspicious but when I'm watching an auction I sometimes put in a bid like that so I can see it easier on the my ebay screen vs just watching it.

As for the PSA 10 vs 9 debate there seem to be plenty of people willing to pay a huge premium because of the scarcity. You can argue it's artificial but some cards the population can be a anywhere from a 5-1 difference to 50-1 or more. I don't personally own any high end PSA 10s but they do seem to be good investments.