T207

[sb1]

One thing to keep in mind on T207 backs, they either have Recruit or Napoleon backs, OR they will have Broadleaf, Cycle, Anonymous(and Red Cross). There is no crossover from the Recruit/Napoleon family to the other much tougher front/back combos.

[frohme]

Ye gads, what's the world coming to ... an actual post on Net54 about T207s... its been a while.

Bob M and Tim N's VCBC articles are the best general references going, even though they're 10 years old, now. Lew Lipset has a section in his encyclopedia, and various of the big books have the usual smattering. There are (or were) a couple sites run by folks on the board that had good information as well.

While that info is good, and though there isn't much more info readily available about T207, it is actually much easier to understand than its T205/6 brethren when it comes to front/back combos. I will leave RedCross out of the discussion - they're just too rare (and St Louis Nat'l is not known to be represented at this date anyway umm... oops ... Lowdermilk ).

As Scott (sb1) says - there are two classes of cards:

• Recruit - with Recruit (Fac 240 and 606) and Napoleon (Fac 240 only) backs; and
• Broadleaf - with Broadleaf, Cycle and two factories of Anonymous (3 and 25) backs.

There is no crossover between the two classes. The only twist to this from the backs perspective is that there are a handful (~50) Recruit cards that are known with one of the Anonymous backs (Factory 3). In all, there are 150 players + 5 variations in the Recruit class, and 50 players + 1 variation in the Broadleaf class cards... for 206 cards in the set with varying degrees of in and out for certain other print issues (wrong backs, cap color)..

All 50 Broadleaf class cards are known with all 4 possible backs. All Recruit cards are known with both factory backs. Napoleons are less common, but are widely believed to be fully covered as well.

For St Louis Natl ...

In Recruits, you'll have:

• Bresnahan
• Ellis
• Evans
• Golden
• Harmon
• Konetchy
• Oakes
• Smith (W)
• Steele
• Steinfeldt
• Wilie
• Wingo

36 cards across the 3 backs. Of those, Steele and Wingo are confirmed with the Anon 3 back, Ellis is suggested as the (as yet only hypothesized) 50th man... but that's just a suggestion, so 38 Recruit cards

In the Broadleaf class, you only have two:

• Lowdermilk
• Woodburn

Lowdermilk, not that hard, but $$$ because of historical information. Woodburn slightly less difficult, much less $$.

That's 8 more cards for a master team set of 46.

Then you could throw in a brown-print back, and a blank back, and ... well, you can go from there.

Hope this helps. You'll find out quickly enough where you're going to have fun trying to complete this master team set in less than a decade or so... (though it is becoming much easier - and cheaper - these days, it would seem. Prices are down on lots of T207's. Images of most are available by team and back, if you're interested.

Best of luck to you - I'll help where I can.
--
Mike

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by frohme

Ye gads, what's the world coming to ... an actual post on Net54 about T207s... its been a while.

Bob M and Tim N's VCBC articles are the best general references going, even though they're 10 years old, now. Lew Lipset has a section in his encyclopedia, and various of the big books have the usual smattering. There are (or were) a couple sites run by folks on the board that had good information as well.

While that info is good, and though there isn't much more info readily available about T207, it is actually much easier to understand than its T205/6 brethren when it comes to front/back combos. I will leave RedCross out of the discussion - they're just too rare (and St Louis Nat'l is not known to be represented at this date anyway).

As Scott (sb1) says - there are two classes of cards:

• Recruit - with Recruit (Fac 240 and 606) and Napoleon (Fac 240 only) backs; and
• Broadleaf - with Broadleaf, Cycle and two factories of Anonymous (3 and 25) backs.

There is no crossover between the two classes. The only twist to this from the backs perspective is that there are a handful (~50) Recruit cards that are known with one of the Anonymous backs (Factory 3). In all, there are 150 players + 5 variations in the Recruit class, and 50 players + 1 variation in the Broadleaf class cards... for 206 cards in the set with varying degrees of in and out for certain other print issues (wrong backs, cap color)..

All 50 Broadleaf class cards are known with all 4 possible backs. All Recruit cards are known with both factory backs. Napoleons are less common, but are widely believed to be fully covered as well.

For St Louis Natl ...

In Recruits, you'll have:

• Bresnahan
• Ellis
• Evans
• Golden
• Harmon
• Konetchy
• Oakes
• Smith (W)
• Steele
• Steinfeldt
• Wilie
• Wingo

36 cards across the 3 backs. Of those, Steele and Wingo are confirmed with the Anon 3 back, Ellis is suggested as the (as yet only hypothesized) 50th man... but that's just a suggestion, so 38 Recruit cards

In the Broadleaf class, you only have two:

• Lowdermilk
• Woodburn

Lowdermilk, not that hard, but $$$ because of historical information. Woodburn slightly less difficult, much less $$.

That's 8 more cards for a master team set of 46.

Then you could throw in a brown-print back, and a blank back, and ... well, you can go from there.

Hope this helps. You'll find out quickly enough where you're going to have fun trying to complete this master team set in less than a decade or so... (though it is becoming much easier - and cheaper - these days, it would seem. Prices are down on lots of T207's. Images of most are available by team and back, if you're interested.

Best of luck to you - I'll help where I can.
--
Mike

Thank you very much, Mike, that is exactly what I needed.
Now I just need to find a few I can afford.
I see you might have some for sale?
LMK - Eric

[sreader3]

Mike,

Just wanted to say that was a super informative response to the original poster. Many of us learned something valuable.

Scot

[frohme]

Appreciate the kind words, Scot - thank you.

--
Mike

[buymycards]

Hi Mike, thank you for the great info about the T207's. Your explanation is much clearer and easier to understand than the info in the Standard Catalog or in Lew Lipsett's book.

Thanks for sharing.

Rick

[sb1]

Agreed, very thorough and detailed. It made my response seem rather simplistic

[frohme]

Originally Posted by bbcardzman

Thank you very much, Mike, that is exactly what I needed.
Now I just need to find a few I can afford.
I see you might have some for sale?
LMK - Eric

Thanks, Eric. I believe I have a number of the ones listed - sending you a PM.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by frohme

Thanks, Eric. I believe I have a number of the ones listed - sending you a PM.

Thanks for sharing great info Mike. We all appreciate it.

(And a tidbit of info- If I am not mistaking Mike and I played baseball against each other in little league in the early 70s!!)

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Hope no one minds me reviving this thread. This thread, along with Mike's more recent thread regarding T207s backs, motivated me to dip my toe in the T207 water a bit. I just purchased a Steinfeldt in about VG+ or VGEX condition. A lot of what I read about the T207s describes the love or hate outlook collectors have regarding it. I will see when I actually get mine in hand, but I am inclined to be someone who loves them, I think. For me, there is something about the simplicity of the brown that attracts me. I have lost count of how many times I have looked at them. So, thanks for all of the motivating information. We'll see where this goes.

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardguy

Hope no one minds me reviving this thread. This thread, along with Mike's more recent thread regarding T207s backs, motivated me to dip my toe in the T207 water a bit. I just purchased a Steinfeldt in about VG+ or VGEX condition. A lot of what I read about the T207s describes the love or hate outlook collectors have regarding it. I will see when I actually get mine in hand, but I am inclined to be someone who loves them, I think. For me, there is something about the simplicity of the brown that attracts me. I have lost count of how many times I have looked at them. So, thanks for all of the motivating information. We'll see where this goes.

I, too, read a lot of the stuff out there regarding the negativity so I had to see for myself. I bought my first T207 earlier this year and love the look/feel of them.

T206 is still my favorite of the ATC sets, but I love the T207s, too. I think they're underappreciated because of the lack of HOFs like Cobb and Matty. Some of the artwork isn't the greatest but some are really nice IMO. Here are a few of my favorites.

I also find the occasional hint of color against the mostly brown/beige cards to be pretty cool.