T207

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by kmac32

actually, all T207 Cardinal cards were destroyed in the Great Chicago fire of 1871 and were deemed as the tinder that Some warped Cardinal fan/ arsonist used to start the fire so no such list will be available for the Cardinal players. :-)

Good one! but at little early for 1912

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by bbcardzman

Good one! but at little early for 1912

haven't you ever heard of time travelers. Mrs O'Leary was one of them.

[kmac32]

actually, there is a list of all T207 cards in Bob Lemke's Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards and you would have to cross reference it with a team list. That is how I came up with my T207 Cubs list. the different backs is the challenge and there are a couple of different board members that would be a good source of this info. Think mike Frome??? and Tbob would be the experts.

[sb1]

Your best reference would be Tim Newcomb's work in Old Cardboard magazine. Here is a link to an overall study. His main works appeared in 2004 issues, which you might be able to find back issues from Old Cardboard or other board members.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/20.../eNews74.htm#2

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by kmac32

actually, there is a list of all T207 cards in Bob Lemke's Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards and you would have to cross reference it with a team list. That is how I came up with my T207 Cubs list. the different backs is the challenge and there are a couple of different board members that would be a good source of this info. Think mike Frome??? and Tbob would be the experts.

The backs are what I really need.

Originally Posted by sb1

Your best reference would be Tim Newcomb's work in Old Cardboard magazine. Here is a link to an overall study. His main works appeared in 2004 issues, which you might be able to find back issues from Old Cardboard or other board members.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/20.../eNews74.htm#2

You are exactly right. This is the only source that I have been able to find, Tim's work and the Old Cardboard site are invaluable for T207 information.

[sb1]

One thing to keep in mind on T207 backs, they either have Recruit or Napoleon backs, OR they will have Broadleaf, Cycle, Anonymous(and Red Cross). There is no crossover from the Recruit/Napoleon family to the other much tougher front/back combos.

[frohme]

Ye gads, what's the world coming to ... an actual post on Net54 about T207s... its been a while.

Bob M and Tim N's VCBC articles are the best general references going, even though they're 10 years old, now. Lew Lipset has a section in his encyclopedia, and various of the big books have the usual smattering. There are (or were) a couple sites run by folks on the board that had good information as well.

While that info is good, and though there isn't much more info readily available about T207, it is actually much easier to understand than its T205/6 brethren when it comes to front/back combos. I will leave RedCross out of the discussion - they're just too rare (and St Louis Nat'l is not known to be represented at this date anyway umm... oops ... Lowdermilk ).

As Scott (sb1) says - there are two classes of cards:

• Recruit - with Recruit (Fac 240 and 606) and Napoleon (Fac 240 only) backs; and
• Broadleaf - with Broadleaf, Cycle and two factories of Anonymous (3 and 25) backs.

There is no crossover between the two classes. The only twist to this from the backs perspective is that there are a handful (~50) Recruit cards that are known with one of the Anonymous backs (Factory 3). In all, there are 150 players + 5 variations in the Recruit class, and 50 players + 1 variation in the Broadleaf class cards... for 206 cards in the set with varying degrees of in and out for certain other print issues (wrong backs, cap color)..

All 50 Broadleaf class cards are known with all 4 possible backs. All Recruit cards are known with both factory backs. Napoleons are less common, but are widely believed to be fully covered as well.

For St Louis Natl ...

In Recruits, you'll have:

• Bresnahan
• Ellis
• Evans
• Golden
• Harmon
• Konetchy
• Oakes
• Smith (W)
• Steele
• Steinfeldt
• Wilie
• Wingo

36 cards across the 3 backs. Of those, Steele and Wingo are confirmed with the Anon 3 back, Ellis is suggested as the (as yet only hypothesized) 50th man... but that's just a suggestion, so 38 Recruit cards

In the Broadleaf class, you only have two:

• Lowdermilk
• Woodburn

Lowdermilk, not that hard, but $$$ because of historical information. Woodburn slightly less difficult, much less $$.

That's 8 more cards for a master team set of 46.

Then you could throw in a brown-print back, and a blank back, and ... well, you can go from there.

Hope this helps. You'll find out quickly enough where you're going to have fun trying to complete this master team set in less than a decade or so... (though it is becoming much easier - and cheaper - these days, it would seem. Prices are down on lots of T207's. Images of most are available by team and back, if you're interested.

Best of luck to you - I'll help where I can.
--
Mike