SGC...Trustworthy?

[MartyFromCANADA]

Sure grading is an opinion, but which grade would you expect to pay more for;2 or 4. Trimmed or 3. We pay more for the higher grade, "opinion". Many times significantly more. And yes I am concerned with the grading system over one card. This case represent a card being graded 3 times. I am sure they measured the card all three. Twice the card is measured to be the correct size and now partial millimeters small. Maybe they bought some bad rulers. All in all we trust these companies opinions, but with such big money being thrown around if feel they should be accountable in situations like this instead of blowing me off with a pretty bad excuse. (Funny; they still take my ten bucks just to measure a card and send it back)

[TanksAndSpartans]

I'm not seeing anything sleazy here. Sleazy to me would be if they just graded everything high to get more business. Based on an extremely small sample size (and therefore meaningless), it seems to me SGC is stricter on card size. What you were told about being a milimeter off doesn't exactly make sense to me as I thing these cards have a range they need to be in - did you measure it yourself?

[arc2q]

I think third party grading is a good thing and has been a positive improvement for the hobby. If you use grading services you have to accept the subjective nature of it. There will always be differences in human perception of an inherently subjective process like this. Accept that or don't bother getting cards graded.

It is an enormous improvement over the old days when any card sold by a card shop was either mint or near mint. I had a few cards still in the original plastic sleeves I bought from a dealer meet at a mall in the late 80s. All were hand-marked NM. Just to test I had one graded (a '59 Rocky Colavito I think). It came back a 3.5 (slightly off center, discoloration on the back, loss of gloss probably)

It was a lot harder for novices and kids in the 80s to buy cards based on trusting the judgment of a dealer who was economically motivated to inflate values. At least with TPGs the grader is reasonably indifferent and, thus, more trustworthy.

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by MartyFromCANADA

Sure grading is an opinion, but which grade would you expect to pay more for;2 or 4. Trimmed or 3. We pay more for the higher grade, "opinion". Many times significantly more. And yes I am concerned with the grading system over one card. This case represent a card being graded 3 times. I am sure they measured the card all three. Twice the card is measured to be the correct size and now partial millimeters small. Maybe they bought some bad rulers. All in all we trust these companies opinions, but with such big money being thrown around if feel they should be accountable in situations like this instead of blowing me off with a pretty bad excuse. (Funny; they still take my ten bucks just to measure a card and send it back)

Get yourself nice binder, learn how to crack slabs, and free your cards and your mind.

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Get yourself nice binder, learn how to crack slabs, and free your cards and your mind.

+1

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MartyFromCANADA

Sure grading is an opinion, but which grade would you expect to pay more for;2 or 4. Trimmed or 3. We pay more for the higher grade, "opinion". Many times significantly more. And yes I am concerned with the grading system over one card. This case represent a card being graded 3 times. I am sure they measured the card all three. Twice the card is measured to be the correct size and now partial millimeters small. Maybe they bought some bad rulers. All in all we trust these companies opinions, but with such big money being thrown around if feel they should be accountable in situations like this instead of blowing me off with a pretty bad excuse. (Funny; they still take my ten bucks just to measure a card and send it back)

So vote with your feet and stop submitting. There isn't a card on earth that is going to grade the same way every time unless it's a completely obvious alteration job. Play the game, or don't, but bitching about it is pointless.

[CW]

Marty, you said you sent in your other cards to SGC so they're all in the same holders now. Did any of those other cards grade higher? Sometimes the game goes in your favor (or for a Canadian, in their favour ).

Bottom line... you still have the actual card, regardless of the grade or type of holder.