Split-personality of the 350/460 series..re: AB460, BL460, SC460, HINDU & UZIT T206's

[tedzan]

2nd group in the 350/460 series = 28 subjects printed with the AB 460 & UZIT backs. It's significant to note that this 2nd group of 28 subjects are mutually-exclusive with
the 1st group of 35 subjects with respect to their backs. This tells us that these two groups were printed independent of one another on their own sheets.

Furthermore, please note my use of the word "subjects" (instead of cards). We do not actually know how many cards were printed on the standard size sheets. These group
numbers (35 and 28) are rather small. It's very likely that the 1st group of subjects were Double-Printed (D-P) on a 72-card sheet. I have several 350/460 series T206's with
double-same-names....indicative of D-P. Or perhaps, even Triple-Printed on a 108-card sheet. The same multiple printing format applies to the 2nd group of 28 subjects.


2nd group of the 350/460 series......28 subjects printed with these two 460-type backs (circa..Feb/Mar 1911).

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (Factory 42)

UZIT


1......Berger
2......Bradley (bat)
3......Burch (fielding)
4......Cobb (bat off)
5......Conroy (bat)
6......Crawford (bat)
7......Jennings (one hand)
8......Jennings (two hands)
9......Jordan (bat)
10....Lajoie (bat)
11....Lake (no ball)
12....Leach (cap)
13....Leifield (bat)
14....Manning (pitching)
15....McQuillan (bat)
16....Mullin (bat)
17....Overall (yellow sky)
18....Pelty (vertical)
19....Pfeister (throwing)
20....Smith (Chicago & Boston)
21....Steinfeldt (bat)
22....Tinker (bat off)
23....Wagner (bat on right)
24....Doc White (pitching)
25....Wilhelm (bat)
26....Willetts
27....Willis (bat)
28....Wiltse (pitching)


PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42......The one exception to this mutually-exclusive rule is the PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 back, which is common to all 63 of these subjects.

Note....Twenty 350/460 series subjects have yet to be confirmed with the LENOX brand. Therefore, I have not included LENOX in this analysis since a discernible pattern
is not quite evident at this time. It's still a work in progress.



TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Furthermore, please note my use of the word "subjects" (instead of cards). We do not actually know how many cards were printed on the standard size sheets. These group
numbers (35 and 28) are rather small. It's very likely that the 1st group of subjects were Double-Printed (D-P) on a 70-card sheet (I have several 350/460 series T206's with
"2 same-names" on them that attest to them D-P). Or perhaps, even Triple-Printed on a 105-card sheet.
TED Z
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The most recent list of two (different) name cards yields zero instances from any of the 460 printings:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...142480&page=31

Regardless of how many columns there were on a sheet, I would think it is highly probable that each column on the 460 sheets contained the same player thereby only allowing for double (same) name miscuts. That said, someone producing a two-namer with a 460 back would be a quick way to refute that guess.

[sreader3]

Hi Ted,
Wanted to acknowledge your research. Need time to process. Have a vacation coming up second week of June so that will be a good time.
Scot

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Ted,
Wanted to acknowledge your research. Need time to process. Have a vacation coming up second week of June so that will be a good time.
Scot

Thanks....I would appreciate your inputs regarding what I have presented here with respect to the printing of these tougher 460-type backs on the 350/460 series subjects.


Enjoy your vacation.


TED Z
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[parkerj33]

Ted, is that a typo in your first post? you first say 66 subjects but then go on to list two groups adding up to 63 subjects.....

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Ted, is that a typo in your first post? you first say 66 subjects but then go on to list two groups adding up to 63 subjects.....

Hi Jim

Your question is a good one, and I will clarify.

Shown here is my concept of a simulated sheet of the 66 different subjects in SOVEREIGN 350 apple green printing. Actually, 63 of these 66 subjects that American Litho.
had planned to continue printing with the various 460 Series backs were printed.

Due to the fact that the Major League careers of Joe Doyle, Simon Nicholls, and Bob Rhoades (seen on this sheet) had ended prior to the time of the 460 series press runs.
Therefore, these 3 guys were discontinued.


Note....If your computer screen displays only 6 cards per row on this 72-card simulated sheet, decrease the image (Control - ) until there are 12 cards across the display.







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TED Z
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[sreader3]

Hi Ted,

Initial reaction: Your 35 Group 1 subjects correspond with the AB 460 "no prints" identified on T206 Resource, except that your Group 1 includes Ames. So I am going to tentatively agree with you that your Group 1 subjects were printed together--probably on the same sheet--with the caveat that Ames was likely swapped-in for Dougherty on that sheet midstream as Chris Browne as suggested elsewhere. Thus, I am going to accept 34 subject sheets as most likely, with the understanding that we may part company on that. More reaction later.

Scot