PSA: N1:Evidence of Trimming

[iwantitiwinit]

I doubt the seller will take the card back, there is a reason it's not graded and it's stated no refunds. You get what you pay for and it continues to amaze me how many people will try and "get a deal" from someone that clearly is versed in selling cards. Notice how there were no other bidders for this card? So essentially you wanted a free look at the card, you bought it with the intention of flipping it now that it doesn't work out for you want your money back? No such thing as a free option.

[jcc6252]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

I doubt the seller will take the card back, there is a reason it's not graded and it's stated no refunds. You get what you pay for and it continues to amaze me how many people will try and "get a deal" from someone that clearly is versed in selling cards. Notice how there were no other bidders for this card? So essentially you wanted a free look at the card, you bought it with the intention of flipping it now that it doesn't work out for you want your money back? No such thing as a free option.

That's funny, it took a while, but finally here's the you deserve what you get comment, you are just like the rest of the smucks who try to get a deal comment. So, I guess I should never buy a nice looking raw card, especially from well "versed" sellers, because we know they would cheat you at any chance they get. They would never stand by their product's quality.
The card passed my inspection, the experts considered it trimmed. I wasn't looking to break the bank, I was looking to get the card slabbed and to sell it for it's graded value, not it's doctored value.

[ullmandds]

It has become a pretty successful marketing ploy over the years...to sell raw...seemingly high grade...altered cards on ebay preying on flippers hopes of grading and making a profit.

Its a risky proposition...live and learn.

[packs]

I think they will side with the seller in this case. His only guarantee on the card was that it was authentic. He didn't state it wasn't altered anywhere and made no guarantees about grading. From outward perspectives you purchased an authentic card and received an authentic card. At least that's my opinion.

[Orioles1954]

From the naked eye, the bottom reverse of that card looks to have been cut with a kitchen knife. You win some. You lose some......I've been in both camps.

[jcc6252]

Packs and Orioles, good points. I have had a couple of success stories buying raw and selling graded. My favorite is I spotted a 1933 #144 Ruth with "stamps on the back" and obviously trimmed, and bought it for 3 figures. Here are the before and after scans, and link to the Heritage Auction results.

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...a/7085-80322.s

The sale also deserved a mention in the "1933 Goudey Baseball Card Values from the PSA SMR Price Guide" Notes section at the bottom.

...
A PSA NM-MT 8 #29 Foxx sold for $15,152 in 2013
A PSA NM-MT8 #207 Ott sold for $7,771 in 2013
A PSA Authentic #144 Ruth File/Copyright card sold for $38,837 in 2013
A PSA Mint 9 #180 Moore sold for $3,107 in 2013
A PSA NM-MT 8 #207 Ott sold for $7,771 in 2013
...

[bobbyw8469]

Me personally, bid only what you can live with if the card gets an "A" designation. I collect "A" cards anyway, so that doesn't bother me as much, but then again, I am not trying to flip a card for profit. I am on the sellers side with this one. He sold an authentic card and you got an authentic card. There was a reason you were the only bidder on a card that is obviously worth more than opening bid if it was unaltered.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Originally Posted by jcc6252

Packs and Orioles, good points. I have had a couple of success stories buying raw and selling graded. My favorite is I spotted a 1933 #144 Ruth with "stamps on the back" and obviously trimmed for 3 figures. Here are the before and after scans, and link to the Heritage Auction results.

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...a/7085-80322.s

The sale also deserved a mention in the "1933 Goudey Baseball Card Values from the PSA SMR Price Guide" Notes section at the bottom.

...
A PSA NM-MT 8 #29 Foxx sold for $15,152 in 2013
A PSA NM-MT8 #207 Ott sold for $7,771 in 2013
A PSA Authentic #144 Ruth File/Copyright card sold for $38,837 in 2013
A PSA Mint 9 #180 Moore sold for $3,107 in 2013
A PSA NM-MT 8 #207 Ott sold for $7,771 in 2013
...

Now that's a NICE return on investment