OT - Patriots Deflate Report

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

Who knows if the deflation gave them a competitive advantage or was simply a result of testing the balls. What matters is that they, mainly Brady, clearly lied to investigators about knowledge of efforts to deflate footballs. That is what requires some amount of disciplinary action on the part of the NFL.

+ 1

I can't believe some people actually defend their actions.

Great lesson for kids: It's ok to cheat if everybody else does it, no matter how minor it may seem or how much impact it has.

[Runscott]

Some of the logic used in this thread is baffling.

[byrone]

From the good folks at The Onion



NFL Investigating Whether Patriots Played Game With Properly Inflated Vince Wilfork





http://www.theonion.com/section/sports/

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

+ 1

I can't believe some people actually defend their actions.

Great lesson for kids: It's ok to cheat if everybody else does it, no matter how minor it may seem or how much impact it has.

Why should the sports lesson for kids be any different from what we show them in business (i.e. finance, oil, pharmaceutical, politics, etc...)? The most successful people in all of these fields are the ones that push the rules right to the edge of the law. There was nothing in the Wells report that explicitly demonstrated that Brady said "hey guys, I want you to break the rules of the game...".

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

+ 1

I can't believe some people actually defend their actions.

Great lesson for kids: It's ok to cheat if everybody else does it, no matter how minor it may seem or how much impact it has.

I find it no different than old school pitchers hiding Vaseline on their bodies or using a bottle cap to scratch up the ball. It's ingenuity to me. Whitey Ford, Gaylord Perry, Don Sutton and Tommy John have all admitted to it. Some of the greats back in the day used to do it as well.

Heck, Mickey Mantle and Pete Rose have been thought to use corked bats. I think it's fun watching players try to get away with these things.

[tsalem]

Ok, so 3 of the 4 balls tested from the Colts were also underinflated but the refs didn't have time to check the rest of them because it was time for the 2nd half to start. WOW!
Also, the way I read it, Brady had overinflated balls (I think it was during a Jets game) at almost 16psi. I'm sure he wanted them "deflated" - but to say he wanted to cheat and set them below the 12.5 level - I see no proof.

Maybe i'm wrong but I just don't see the smoking gun here

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tsalem

Ok, so 3 of the 4 balls tested from the Colts were also underinflated but the refs didn't have time to check the rest of them because it was time for the 2nd half to start. WOW!
Also, the way I read it, Brady had overinflated balls (I think it was during a Jets game) at almost 16psi. I'm sure he wanted them "deflated" - but to say he wanted to cheat and set them below the 12.5 level - I see no proof.

Maybe i'm wrong but I just don't see the smoking gun here

I think we should throw out the 144 page report and go with your paragraph above. Clearly you have a much better idea about what happened. Thanks for sharing - you saved me having to read the sports page today.

[packs]

Tsalem can you respond to my question about how there are text messages between equipment managers specifically referencing under inflating footballs to Brady's liking? What's your stance on that? Pretty damning, no?

[packs]

I know Brady and the Patriots are trying to pass this off as a non-issue, but in all seriousness you obviously under inflated the ball because it gave you an advantage you didn't have when the ball was properly inflated. That to me is the key issue.

You can't change the past but the NCAA does make a habit of stripping titles to prove a point. I don't think the NFL can turn back the clock in the same way. But I do think the Patriots should be losing a ton of draft picks in the coming years and Brady should be suspended. They suspended Josh Gordon for almost a full year for smoking weed. Brady should get at least the same punishment for cheating.

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by packs

I know Brady and the Patriots are trying to pass this off as a non-issue, but in all seriousness you obviously under inflated the ball because it gave you an advantage you didn't have when the ball was properly inflated. That to me is the key issue.

You can't change the past but the NCAA does make a habit of stripping titles to prove a point. I don't think the NFL can turn back the clock in the same way. But I do think the Patriots should be losing a ton of draft picks in the coming years and Brady should be suspended. They suspended Josh Gordon for almost a full year for smoking weed. Brady should get at least the same punishment for cheating.

3 of the 4 balls tested from the Colts were also underinflated but the refs didn't have time to check the rest of them because it was time for the 2nd half to start.

[packs]

11 of 12 tested footballs from the Patriots side were under inflated.

None of them were under inflated 2 hours before the game when they were checked by officials. NFL rules state that the footballs cannot be altered once they've been approved for game use. So here we have clear evidence of cheating.

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by packs

11 of 12 tested footballs from the Patriots side were under inflated.

None of them were under inflated 2 hours before the game when they were checked by officials. NFL rules state that the footballs cannot be altered once they've been approved for game use. So here we have clear evidence of cheating.

So why do you think 3 of the 4 Colts balls were underinflated?

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by tsalem

So why do you think 3 of the 4 Colts balls were underinflated?

That "well they were doing it too" defense didn't work for the Saints.

[wolf441]

Maybe the Pats over-inflated Seattle's ball before their last offensive play of the Super Bowl....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNf8wT5t8V8

[ZachS]

Maybe they overinflated Pete Carroll's big dumb head.

[ALR-bishop]

Remember the first rule

Although given the play call, maybe that is more of a fact than an opinion

[packs]

Tsalem, how do you respond to the text messages between Patriots equipment managers directly referencing under inflating the footballs for Tom Brady? Are they fabricated? Even though they came directly from their own phones and can be easily verified by the carrier?

[nolemmings]

Great lesson for kids: It's ok to cheat if everybody else does it, no matter how minor it may seem or how much impact it has.

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

+1

Death, Taxes and the Patriots Cheating.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

A big +1

I just don't understand the justifications people are making. I think the people that should be most disappointed are Patriot fans themselves but I haven't heard a single Pats fan do that. About the guy above saying that 3 of the Colts balls failed too... Way to manipulate the facts! They had two separate people test the balls and one found all 4 at 12.5 or above, the next found that three were below 12.5 by exactly .15, .20 and .35 respectively (I believe these measurements were after having played a half of football, too). You are seriously grasping at straws to equate that to the Patriots balls that hovered right around 11 for the most part (one even measuring 10.5)