Ticket Stub Lunacy

[vthobby]

Howard,

That meaningless and pedestrian stub went for $60 and the original poster talked about most others going for much less so.......along with my original line of thought, IF the seller had noted all of the things that I had about this game, I am sure that the ticket would have sold for even more. There were obviously a few buyers that were interested in it.

That was a big game for Clemente. Not if you only collect first games or 3000 hits but to any player that would have been a big game. For Clemente fans and collectors, it is a very cool item. I only wish I had seen it for auction but unfortunately did not. I guarantee you it would have gone higher if I had seen it.

Thanks, Mike

[71buc]

Hi Mike, perhaps my choice of the word pedestrian was poor. I collect all of the tickets from the 1971 Pirates season. My interest centers on the team as a whole not on the individual players. I would understand Bob Gibson's no hitter, opening day, September 1st, September 23rd or milestones such as Rose's 100th HR from that season as significant and likely to command a premium. It surprises me when others command such interest.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Hi Mike, perhaps my choice of the word pedestrian was poor. I collect all of the tickets from the 1971 Pirates season. My interest centers on the team as a whole not on the individual players. I would understand Bob Gibson's no hitter, opening day, September 1st, September 23rd or milestones such as Rose's 100th HR from that season as significant and likely to command a premium. It surprises me when others command such interest.

Like Howard pointed out, any given day can bring surprising prices (either very high or hopefully if you collect...very low).

Good luck in your quest,

Peace, Mike

[pbspelly]

I'm always surprised by how little ticket stubs sell for. I have a couple of field level stubs from Game 1 of the '86 world series. I keep them locked away and forget about them. Then every five or ten years or so I run across them, think they might be worth something, and run a couple of searches. Only to find that they're worth maybe $50-75 apiece. If that. Then back into the closet they go.

Reminds me of when a friend, browsing at a used book store, found a manuscript from the 1600s, selling for only $20. What a steal, he thought. So he bought it and took it to an appraiser, who told him, "It's probably worth about $20."

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

I'm always surprised by how little ticket stubs sell for. I have a couple of field level stubs from Game 1 of the '86 world series. I keep them locked away and forget about them. Then every five or ten years or so I run across them, think they might be worth something, and run a couple of searches. Only to find that they're worth maybe $50-75 apiece. If that. Then back into the closet they go.

Reminds me of when a friend, browsing at a used book store, found a manuscript from the 1600s, selling for only $20. What a steal, he thought. So he bought it and took it to an appraiser, who told him, "It's probably worth about $20."

The lesson with many collectibles (especially books) is that just because it is old, doesn't make it valuable. Just my 2¢.

Jeff

[mcgwirecom]

The thing to remember about tickets is that if everyone saved the ticket and nothing much happened in the game its probably not worth much. This happens mostly in World Series tickets. As mentioned earlier a game 1 1986 Series ticket doesn't usually bring much. But a game 6 is a different story! But even a game 6 doesn't compare to a June 4th, 1986 Braves ticket.

People who go to a World Series tend to save that ticket as opposed to a regular game where you think nothing happened. That June 4th game in Atlanta probably seemed pretty pedestrian to most fans and they didn't bother to save their stubs. Some rookie hit his first homerun. Now years later a lot of people are looking for that one and can't find it. A lot also want game 6 but the supply is pretty good on those.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

The thing to remember about tickets is that if everyone saved the ticket and nothing much happened in the game its probably not worth much. This happens mostly in World Series tickets. As mentioned earlier a game 1 1986 Series ticket doesn't usually bring much. But a game 6 is a different story! But even a game 6 doesn't compare to a June 4th, 1986 Braves ticket.

People who go to a World Series tend to save that ticket as opposed to a regular game where you think nothing happened. That June 4th game in Atlanta probably seemed pretty pedestrian to most fans and they didn't bother to save their stubs. Some rookie hit his first homerun. Now years later a lot of people are looking for that one and can't find it. A lot also want game 6 but the supply is pretty good on those.

Good points and perspective...I admit it, I googled to see who that rookie was...Bonds .

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Howard,

That meaningless and pedestrian stub went for $60 and the original poster talked about most others going for much less so.......along with my original line of thought, IF the seller had noted all of the things that I had about this game, I am sure that the ticket would have sold for even more. There were obviously a few buyers that were interested in it.

That was a big game for Clemente. Not if you only collect first games or 3000 hits but to any player that would have been a big game. For Clemente fans and collectors, it is a very cool item. I only wish I had seen it for auction but unfortunately did not. I guarantee you it would have gone higher if I had seen it.

Thanks, Mike

Clearly if you are implying that had you seen it you would have bid more, I believe you. Nor will I dispute that there were 4 bidders over $10. It sold for what it sold for and was "worth" that on that day, at that time, to those bidders.
I consider myself first and foremost a hard core Clemente collector. I have over 500 unique Clemente items all dating from 1973 or earlier. All of his regular issue cards, all of his inserts, almost all of his test issues and regionals. I have sub collections of Clemente magazines, Clemente newspapers, Clemente store model gloves, Pirate photo pennants among others. I have a handful of significant game stubs and programs (including what I believe to be Clemente's first program from Puerto Rico from February of 1952, Montreal Stubs from 1954, 1955 Pirates opening day , 1955 Dodgers opening day and September 29th and 30th, 1972. Probably some other programs. I have relationships for many years with Clemente collectors across the country. The highlights of the game you point out notwithstanding - I do not believe most of them would care to the $60 level (my humble opinion - which is always open to being incorrect). On that day 2 did. On another day, you might. Averaged out over time, I would be surprised to see it maintain that level. Unless I was doing some type of defined stub collecting like Mike, this stub "does nothing" for me.

A pleasure to disagree with you Happy collecting.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Clearly if you are implying that had you seen it you would have bid more, I believe you. Nor will I dispute that there were 4 bidders over $10. It sold for what it sold for and was "worth" that on that day, at that time, to those bidders.
I consider myself first and foremost a hard core Clemente collector. I have over 500 unique Clemente items all dating from 1973 or earlier. All of his regular issue cards, all of his inserts, almost all of his test issues and regionals. I have sub collections of Clemente magazines, Clemente newspapers, Clemente store model gloves, Pirate photo pennants among others. I have a handful of significant game stubs and programs (including what I believe to be Clemente's first program from Puerto Rico from February of 1952, Montreal Stubs from 1954, 1955 Pirates opening day , 1955 Dodgers opening day and September 29th and 30th, 1972. Probably some other programs. I have relationships for many years with Clemente collectors across the country. The highlights of the game you point out notwithstanding - I do not believe most of them would care to the $60 level (my humble opinion - which is always open to being incorrect). On that day 2 did. On another day, you might. Averaged out over time, I would be surprised to see it maintain that level. Unless I was doing some type of defined stub collecting like Mike, this stub "does nothing" for me.

A pleasure to disagree with you Happy collecting.

Howard,

In the military where BLUF (bottom line up front) is encouraged, your post would read:

I am a hardcore Clemente collector and I have MANY vintage Clemente items. I also have relationships with many Clemente fans (no not that kind!). I respectfully disagree with you on this ticket in question.


I'm good with your points. To each his own I guess.

Peace, mike