Help on Mantle/Maris

[MikeKam]

Paper for Mantle looks like it has creasing, maybe that's why. I'd have no problem buying it though.

[1952boyntoncollector]

On any high value autograph I think net54 members say fake 99% of time

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

On any high value autograph I think net54 members say fake 99% of time

Seriously?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Seriously?

Travis in disguise?

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

On any high value autograph I think net54 members say fake 99% of time

C'mon

[Klrdds]

What is the definition of a "high value" autograph ?
Certainly that is a relative term for each individual collector's definition of high value. I certainly do not feel that a Mantle or Maris autograph is a high value autograph , except possibly on a contract; however, the evidence points to Mantle as well as Maris autographs being heavily and commonly forged.

[Pickles]

The abundance of Mantle forgeries makes for a high count on "not real" I get that

I have given up trying to figure Mantle's specifics. This one is tough. There is hesitation, but does not appear to fall in a classic "pattern" either.

I should have also asked my follow up hypothetical. Would either of the big 2 TPA's issue a cert?

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Pickles

The abundance of Mantle forgeries makes for a high count on "not real" I get that

I have given up trying to figure Mantle's specifics. This one is tough. There is hesitation, but does not appear to fall in a classic "pattern" either.

I should have also asked my follow up hypothetical. Would either of the big 2 TPA's issue a cert?

In my opinion, it has characteristics of a trace job. The "shape" is spot on, but the pressure and flow are completely off. There is what appears to be a stop and restart at the top of the i, the c is rough... And look at the super slow beginning to the a. So he flicked quickly from the M to the a... Then took forever to get the a started? Notably heavy on the downstrokes and significantly lighter on the up strokes? That isn't how Mantle signed.

[111gecko]

Mantle = Bad
Maris = Good

[Runscott]

Great thread - both the morons, a visiting moron from the card side, a few autograph collectors and a few of the forum experts. What more could you ask for?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Great thread - both the morons, a visiting moron from the card side, a few autograph collectors and a few of the forum experts. What more could you ask for?

That's hilarious, Scott!!!

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Great thread - both the morons, a visiting moron from the card side, a few autograph collectors and a few of the forum experts. What more could you ask for?

Hey. I resemble that remark.
Moron and Proud of it!

[jhs5120]

The Mantle looks good to me.

I also agree, I've noticed some forum members in particular say "no good" a disproportionate amount of times.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

On any high value autograph I think net54 members say fake 99% of time

I call BS.
That is so totally not true. Net54 members call fake on autos they think are fake. Perhaps it's the fact that forgers typically fake high priced autos to maximize their profit, that make us say fake a lot. Perhaps it's that Mantle is one of the most faked autos ever, that make us say fake so much. Perhaps you should stick to cards, which seem to be your collecting interest, instead of coming to the auto side and insulting all of us.

[Lordstan]

Bernie,
I agree that the Mantle has some curious areas that would likely make me look for another example to purchase, even though it "might" be good.

As far as your last question, I would say it doesn't matter. If I don't think an auto is real, I wouldn't submit it. Even if they approved it, my opinion would still be the same and I would not sell it, so why waste the money.

Mark

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I call BS.
That is so totally not true. Net54 members call fake on autos they think are fake. Perhaps it's the fact that forgers typically fake high priced autos to maximize their profit, that make us say fake a lot. Perhaps it's that Mantle is one of the most faked autos ever, that make us say fake so much. Perhaps you should stick to cards, which seem to be your collecting interest, instead of coming to the auto side and insulting all of us.

LOL... I like the insults...coming & going

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

On any high value autograph I think net54 members say fake 99% of time

that just goes to show you how much fake shit there is out there 1952boy

Especially the high value ones.

While there are many of the characteristics of the Mantle I like, you cannot avoid the obvious. 5-6 starts and stops are too many for me. I like the "dropped ink" at the M's though, that's pretty hard to forge. At least a 50-50 legitimate signature, but I wouldn't want it PERIOD. If I don't want the Mantle, I don't want the Maris either.