Topps Venezuelans

[Orioles1954]

I don't collect Venezuelans unless there is Spanish text on the reverse or a different back. Typically, I also only collect clean backs. That makes the 1967 and 1964 sets my favorites. To date, has any packaging surfaced (wrappers, display boxes, etc.)? I collect Orioles team set sets and while it took a year of so to put together the 1964 and 1967 sets, the 1968 issue has been pretty much impossible. I'm probably very much in the minority, but the Retired cards from the 1967 don't do much for me. Guess I just don't like post-career cards. It is the first of its kind, though.

[ALR-bishop]

In 1994 Topps produced a limited edition set that paralleled their basic set but had backs in both English and Spanish

[1963Topps Set]

Orioles1954 I agree competely with everything you said, however, I do love the 1959 with Spanish copyright text. I collect them if I can get them. 1962, 1964 and 1968 are my favorites. I feel the 1967 retired set is grossly overrated. You can't even touch the Koufax card. Well put my friend.

[bnorth]

This is my only Venezuelan card. Bought it from a fellow member when he upgraded to a nicer one.

[begsu1013]

I have the 68 ryan and the 77 rose...definitely condition sensitive considering the paper and the fact that kids would glue them to albums....just something they did in their culture. we had 9 pocket binders, they had glue.

[Orioles1954]

I'm under the impression that Venezuelans weren't distributed in traditional wax packs with gum. Rather, they were issued with albums and glue. Not sure it is necessarily cultural, but simply how they were distributed.

[begsu1013]

pretty sure, but not 100%, that they didn't come glued in the albums. they didn't come in "wax" packs either, rather a crude type of "envelope". again, in no way an expert.

but I think the jist of it was to buy the "packs" and then buy the album and glue them to the album yourself to complete the set.

again, confident, but not 100%...

edited to add:

I would like to know more about the 72 stamps though. the 72 ryan stamp has eluded me for years...where as the 68 rook did take a while, but haven't even seen the 72 in person or heard of someone actually owning one...seen a pic and reminds me of 59 topps a lil...

I've been working on the 1967 Major League set for going on three years now and I can attest to it's difficulty. Some cards are just impossible. I missed out on one of the tough ones on eBay some months back and I seriously wonder if I'll ever see another example. I have managed to put together 35 of 150 so far. Great set, but tough.

[Exhibitman]

As far as the culture goes the tradition of mfg albums to paste cards into goes back to the prewar issues of all sports and nonsports. I collect boxing and soccer cards too and the Latin American cards from candy issuers and many tobacco companies are made with albums. We simply don't do that here. The few albums I can think of like Leaf were made with slots to tip in the cards. The only glue in albums I can think of were a few topps special issues like the bazooka stickers or the FB 4 on 1 from 1969.

[BBB]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

I'm under the impression that Venezuelans weren't distributed in traditional wax packs with gum. Rather, they were issued with albums and glue. Not sure it is necessarily cultural, but simply how they were distributed.

Got a couple higher grade ones handy. No sign of glue.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by BBB

Got a couple higher grade ones handy. No sign of glue.

They weren't glued into albums. The thought is that they may have been issued with albums so that they could be glued in. I'd say that the vast majority of mine don't have any glue damage. I find the glue issue more prevalant on the 64s and 66s than I do on the earlier issues. It wouldn't surprise me if they were issued in a different manner.

[craigpw]

This has never been mentioned in a Topps/Venezuelan post, but it seems obvious to me that the 1967 issue was pirated without any participation or approval from Topps. These cards were clearly made other cards and not plates produced by Topps. The images are not nearly as sharp and often borders of other cards are slightly misaligned when they are positioned side by side with any specific card. What do you think? ...Craig

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by craigpw

This has never been mentioned in a Topps/Venezuelan post, but it seems obvious to me that the 1967 issue was pirated without any participation or approval from Topps. These cards were clearly made other cards and not plates produced by Topps. The images are not nearly as sharp and often borders of other cards are slightly misaligned when they are positioned side by side with any specific card. What do you think? ...Craig

Interesting.....starting in 1960, the Venezuelan set was issued every two years with the exception of 1967. It is also the only Venezuelan sets where the backs aren't replicated.

[a761506]

The '67 set was made by Sport Grafico. I do believe Topps had a hand in those, although we'll never really know.

[TheNightmanCometh]

Got some new VZs in yesterday! They aren't grade worthy, but I needed them for my collection so I'm stoked.

[DBesse27]

Great cards Ryan! I had a copy of that 68 Sonny for sale not too long ago, before you resurrected this thread.

I've already shown these in the Yaz thread, but wanted to show you my only 2 graded Venezuelans. I have 22 more that I'll be mailing to PSA this week or next.

[TheNightmanCometh]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

Great cards Ryan! I had a copy of that 68 Sonny for sale not too long ago, before you resurrected this thread.

I've already shown these in the Yaz thread, but wanted to show you my only 2 graded Venezuelans. I have 22 more that I'll be mailing to PSA this week or next.

Dang! Those look awesome! Thanks for sharing. In my quest to collect every Topps Braves base card, I found myself collecting VZ as well. So far, I am 61 of the 90 cards possible, so I'm pretty stoked. I'm always looking out for new ones in my price range. Are you grading to sell later?

[DBesse27]

No, I'm grading to keep. I'll have 3 for my Yaz master set (with hopefully many more to come), I'm gonna start a 1968 Venezuelan registry (soon will have 19 in slabs) and a '64 Venezuelan registry (soon will have 4 in slabs).

[TheNightmanCometh]

Picked up a '64 Aaron and '66 Braves Team card, pics coming soon, both of which complete each respective run of Braves base cards in those sets. I'm still on the hunt for more Braves VZ cards, so if you have the following and are willing to sell, IM me.

1959 Topps Venezuelan
3 Don McMahon -- Milwaukee Braves
27 Andy Pafko -- Milwaukee Braves
40 Warren Spahn -- Milwaukee Braves
54 Mel Roach -- Milwaukee Braves
104 Del Rice -- Milwaukee Braves
126 Eddie Haas -- Milwaukee Braves
128 Bob Hartman -- Milwaukee Braves
157 Felix Mantilla -- Milwaukee Braves
165 Bill Bruton -- Milwaukee Braves
188 Juan Pizarro -- Milwaukee Braves

1962 Topps Venezuelan
30 Eddie Mathews – Milwaukee Braves
63 Tony Cloninger -- Milwaukee Braves
100 Warren Spahn -- Milwaukee Braves
158 Braves Team -- Milwaukee Braves

1967 Topps Venezuelan
277 Mack Jones -- Atlanta Braves
281 Felipe Alou-- Atlanta Braves
284 Hank Aaron -- Atlanta Braves
324 Joe Torre -- Atlanta Braves

1968 Topps Venezuelan
110 Hank Aaron -- Atlanta Braves
221 Braves Team -- Atlanta Braves

[DBesse27]

Awesome, Ryan! Can't wait to see your new additions! I picked up 5 recently, all HOFers, including a 68 Torre. I'll post pics soon.

[TheNightmanCometh]

Thanks! I actually picked up the '68 Torre recently as well. I'll post pictures of all 3 once I get the other two.

I look forward to seeing your pics!

[DBesse27]

My primary collecting focus is collecting every Yaz card I can get my hands on and a secondary project of mine is 1964 and 68 Venezuelans. Here are the 5 latest Venies I've picked up. Excited about all of them, but especially the first one with Yaz







I misspoke when I said earlier they were all HOFers. I forgot one was Lonborg. Still a good one for my 68 Venie Red Sox team set. Makes 7 for that team set, 6 of which will soon reside in PSA slabs.

[Carrotop79]

Hello all, I have been collecting 68 Venezuela now for about a year with distance intentions of completing the set in PSA 2 or above. I am curious as to what to do with this Nolan. Do you all think it will get MK for that mark on the back left side or should I just keep it in this grade? I don't want qualifiers and plan on keeping it for the collection. This is the highest SGC on file (there are only 3 of them total). Thank you and looking forward to getting to know you all.

Matt

[Cliff Bowman]

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Carrotop79

Hello all, I have been collecting 68 Venezuela now for about a year with distance intentions of completing the set in PSA 2 or above. I am curious as to what to do with this Nolan. Do you all think it will get MK for that mark on the back left side or should I just keep it in this grade? I don't want qualifiers and plan on keeping it for the collection. This is the highest SGC on file (there are only 3 of them total). Thank you and looking forward to getting to know you all.

Matt

You're a better man than me, that's quite an ambitious undertaking. I can't even complete the 1968 Venezuelan Cubs team set, Byron Browne has eluded me for several years.

[Carrotop79]

Well if it helps, I don’t have him either. I figured trying to complete this set will take me several years, just happened to pull the trigger on the Nolan early. Think it’s a PSA 2 NQ?

[Mike Rich]

I too am interested in building sets for the Venezuelan issues. Mine are generally in LOW grade, especially the backs damaged from being glued into albums. I have hundreds of low grade 1964s and 1966s to swap for my needs. Especially interested in making progress on 1962 & 1968. My want & have lists are:
1959: Venezuelan copyright, set of 196: Have: 2-5 7 11-3 15 18 22 24-8 30 32-3 35-6 38-40 42 45-6 50-1 53-6 59-64 66-8 72 76-8 81-2 84-5 87-8 93 95-6 103 105-6 108-9
1960: (lack of gloss on front only difference), set of 198: NEED: 2 3 5-10 13-4 16 18 22-6 29-32 34 36-7 40-4 46 48 51-2 54 57 59-61 64-5 67-70 72-3 76-9 81 83-4 86 88-92 95 102 105 108-111 114-5 119 123 127 129 134 136-8 143-4 146 148 150 153 158 160 164 174-5 179 183 185-7 189 192 194-7
1962: (Spanish backs) set of 198 NEED: 1-10 12-3 17-8 20 22-5 29 33 35 40-1 43-5 48 50-61 63 65 67 69 70 73-4 76-7 80-1 84-5 88-9 91-2 99 102-4 107 109 110 112-3 116 118 122-4 127 130-1 133 135-143 145 147-8 150 152-3 155-9 162-3 167 169-171 175 177 180-2 185-7 191-2 196-8
1964: (black backs) set of 370 NEED: 9 11 27 50 125 136 146 150 182 210 285 287 300
1966: (no gloss on front only difference), set of 370: NEED: 1 5 10 19 24 27-8 30 32-3 36 41 44 50 52 58-9 63 70 72 90 99-101 107 111 118-9 125-6 132-3 135 145 160 168 172 174 177 180 191 193 195 200 203 206 213-6 218 220 233-4 237 243 250 254 259 270 275 285 288 294 296 298 300 303 310 318 320-1 324 336 339 343 347 349 360 362-3
1967: Minor League set of 138 red backs: NEED 25 60B (blue), 62 74 89 95 107 115B Carrasquel 122 133B (has shadow)
1967 #189-338 set of 150 no borders: HAVE: 195 202-3 207-8 212-4 224 228 233-4 254 256 263 272 293-4 298 301-2 305 308
1967 Retirado #139-188 set of 50 HAVE: 188
1968: HAVE 19 23-4 28 33 36 39 46 48 57 60 62-4 75 79 88 96 106 116 128 132-5 183-4 186-7 195 199 206-7 210 212-3 217 222 226-7 229 232-3 239 243-4 248 250 253 255 258 260 262 265 267-9 272-3 279 283-6 288 293 297 301 303 309 313-5 317-8 322-4 326-7 331 333-5 338-340 343 346-7 349 353 356
1970: NEED: 15 20 39 52 58 64-5 67 71 99 109 116 120 131 145 150 174 184 190 191 202 209 222-4 235-6 255-8 262-3 265-270 272-3 276-7 279 280 284 289 291 296 298

[TheNightmanCometh]

Here are the '59s I got.

[DBesse27]

Wow those are great!

[Charlos13]

Nice additions how's close are you to completing your team set.
Also do you guys know of any body that does psa group submissions by any chance?

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by Charlos13

do you guys know of any body that does psa group submissions by any chance?

I do once in a while, but I don't have one brewing

[TheNightmanCometh]

Originally Posted by Charlos13

Nice additions how's close are you to completing your team set.
Also do you guys know of any body that does psa group submissions by any chance?

As of now I'm two cards short. I messed up my master list and deleted a card I don't have, so I need the '59 Bruton and the '68 Aaron. I have a lead on the Bruton, but the Aaron is gonna be my white whale. I've only ever seen one on eBay and I was offered to purchase another one through the yahoo vz group, but it was a psa 6 and they wanted mid-hundreds for it and that's way outside my budget at the moment.

[Pagliman]

I have long collected Pittsburgh Pirates 1960's issues, and more recently the Topps Venezuelans. In going back thru my "archives", I came up with two 1966 Jim Pagliaroni #33 cards that appear to have the typical Venezuelan backs, i.e. bright orange as opposed to the more toned down USA version. However these cards appear to be in strong NrMT condition, which I guess would be unusual for the Venezuelan issue. I have no idea where I got these cards, as they have been my collection for many years. Question: Are there any other Topps variations that might account for the different color back, or can I safely assume that these are really NrMT Venezuelan cards? I have checked the PSA Population Report, and would consider submitting these cards for grading if I was sure of their origin.

[ALR-bishop]

might be some help in here

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=250070

[Rrrlyons]

Pictures would help