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[tazdmb]

I will wait for Peter Nash to finish his investigation

I think one difference between this and the Heritage lot was that there was talk that perhaps someone, perhaps the photographer, innocently secretarial signed those photos. With this lot it is either authentic or a clear forgery for malicious purposes.

[RichardSimon]

I have no opinion on Lot 18 as I have never had the chance to examine any of those autographs in person.
However Lot 20 the Negro League Satchel Paige contract made me take a second look.
Satchel signed his name Satchell on the contract and the handwritten receipt. This despite his name being typed correctly below the signature line. My belief has been that those signatures with the double letter "l" were ghost signed by his son.
Any thoughts?

[jad22]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I have no opinion on Lot 18 as I have never had the chance to examine any of those autographs in person.
However Lot 20 the Negro League Satchel Paige contract made me take a second look.
Satchel signed his name Satchell on the contract and the handwritten receipt. This despite his name being typed correctly below the signature line. My belief has been that those signatures with the double letter "l" were ghost signed by his son.
Any thoughts?

I thought all the "ll" signatures were considered secretarial according to Keurajian's book.

[theshleps]

When you look in Rons book the ll signature of Paige is very different then the legit ones. I have seen ll signature that look identical to the real ones except for the ll that I consider legit.

[Klrdds]

I studied the "ll" variation on Paige several years ago before I purchased my "ll" version signature. Photos are listed below and as you can see this is a mortgage deed from 1950 and is 4 pages and it is a legal document and therefore is not a forgery. On the typed name page it is Satchell and it is signed Satchell very clearly. Paige used the double l version until the early 1950s and for an unknown reason he dropped the double l for a single l version. No explanation was ever given why.
The contract on Lot 20 was the correct spelling of his name as a white person probably typing this contract would do and not realizing the Negro League spelling of his name as well as Paige's own spelling of it.
When he got into the Hall of Fame and his mail increased he would sign some things and have a ghost signer sign others..no pattern ever existed as to who signed what. When he signed after his election he signed Satchel with 1 L but for some unknown reason the ghost signer almost always signed Satchell with 2 Ls and in a form that in no way resembled real Paige autographs.
So if you want the double L version it should be from 1953 and earlier.
Ron's book does a bad job explaining this key and important variation in Paige's signature.
Keating"s Autograph Guide to Negro Leagues does a good job of explaining this variation.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

I studied the "ll" variation on Paige several years ago before I purchased my "ll" version signature. Photos are listed below and as you can see this is a mortgage deed from 1950 and is 4 pages and it is a legal document and therefore is not a forgery. On the typed name page it is Satchell and it is signed Satchell very clearly. Paige used the double l version until the early 1950s and for an unknown reason he dropped the double l for a single l version. No explanation was ever given why.
The contract on Lot 20 was the correct spelling of his name as a white person probably typing this contract would do and not realizing the Negro League spelling of his name as well as Paige's own spelling of it.
When he got into the Hall of Fame and his mail increased he would sign some things and have a ghost signer sign others..no pattern ever existed as to who signed what. When he signed after his election he signed Satchel with 1 L but for some unknown reason the ghost signer almost always signed Satchell with 2 Ls and in a form that in no way resembled real Paige autographs.
So if you want the double L version it should be from 1953 and earlier.
Ron's book does a bad job explaining this key and important variation in Paige's signature.
Keating"s Autograph Guide to Negro Leagues does a good job of explaining this variation.

Good information.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jad22

Good information.

+1

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by jad22

Good information.

+1 Thanks for the detailed info on this Kevin.
Love the Satchel Paige deed, BTW!

Here is my Satchel Paige vintage signed luggage tag from his days in the Negro Leagues which exhibits the "ll" variation of his signature.