A new low in net54 lowball offers

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I had a response typed out, but I think I'm going to heed Scott's advice instead.

not sure what you would be responding too...guess going to say cards are more useful than gold in life? heck its just cards who cares...

[vintagetoppsguy]

It's not a matter of being useful. Why does useful even matter? I'm not sure why you brought 'useful' up?

I have both - gold (and silver) and cards. They serve two different purposes. The cards bring me pleasure. The PMs bring me be security.

For that matter, copper is more 'useful' than gold. Does it make it worth more?

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

[botport]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It's not a matter of being useful. Why does useful even matter? I'm not sure why you brought 'useful' up?

I have both - gold (and silver) and cards. They serve two different purposes. The cards bring me pleasure. The PMs bring me be security.

For that matter, copper is more 'useful' than gold. Does it make it worth more?

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

The point I was saying was that any offer for a card is probably worth more than the paper the card is printed on so I don't disparage card low ball offers....cause its just cardboard.....plus we are talking about everyday cards where a poster was talking about a lowball offer of around $30.00.....I not going to argue the merits of circumstances where cards can be worth more than gold..i just said on the whole..in the world..gold has more useful value than cards...I don't think a ty cobb is worth much in Malaysia in the jungle for example....gold seems to have shown more usefulness in life than baseball cards in terms of trade value and use value...

I think people have tried to conquer people over gold ..but I don't see 1000s of people getting killed over cards...... again, you can always give a circumstance for your side...like cards more meaningful for you etc....I just saying overall...I think we can all agree that gold is more valuable....and I don't think its shocking to say that gold has value in real life use as a poster seems to be shocked by that comment.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

The point I was saying was that any offer for a card is probably worth more than the paper the card is printed on

But if you're exchanging cash for cards, then aren't you really just trading paper for paper?

I'm so confused

[packs]

I would argue that paper has much more value to man in his every day life than gold ever has but I don't want to get drawn into that argument.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I would argue that paper has much more value to man in his every day life than gold ever has but I don't want to get drawn into that argument.

right easier to find trees/paper products on the street for free than gold..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

But if you're exchanging cash for cards, then aren't you really just trading paper for paper?

I'm so confused

AT one point there was a gold standard for cash... dollar bills were literally backed by gold...evidently there must of been some faith in gold.......never seen a baseball card standard where you can take your cards to fort knox for cards..but that would of been cool...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

I think that every time I connect to the internet.

I like the blissful ignorance just after my coffee and prior to connecting…you know - that time when you are unaware of the millions of people online who need to be corrected.

[packs]

I will be the voice of hippie reason:

You're comparing two things with no intrinsic value. Gold has no value. Value has been assigned to it. Just like all things. So saying something like gold at least has value whereas cardboard does not, is a draw. Neither have value in itself. We have placed value on it.

What you're really saying is that any offer should be appreciated. But it's not because cardboard is worth less than gold.

Ladies and gentleman, good night.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I will be the voice of hippie reason:

You're comparing two things with no intrinsic value. Gold has no value. Value has been assigned to it. Just like all things. So saying something like gold at least has value whereas cardboard does not, is a draw. Neither have value in itself. We have placed value on it.

What you're really saying is that any offer should be appreciated. But it's not because cardboard is worth less than gold.

Ladies and gentleman, good night.

Disagree in part, that logic means nothing has 'value' I am going by 'usefulness' Gold is used to build things, parts in computers, conduct electricity...there zero usefulness to cards versus what you can find for free on the street..

AGree about the part saying any offer should be appreciated..

[chaddurbin]

12% discount to a prewar crowd where dealers jack up an e95 common 300% is not similar to the cutthroat world of modern wax boxes. you guys stick to something you at least can feign knowledge about (prewar cards).

[GoldenAge50s]

Cardboard is worth MORE than gold, esp on a cold nite! I can load my woodstove w/ '88 Donruss & be nice & warm, while you (meaning ANYONE) sit there w/ your cold gold & freeze your -ss off!

[Eric72]

I respectfully contend that "usefulness" has absolutely nothing to do with "value." To wit, consider the paradox of value (diamond-water paradox) posited by Adam Smith.

Much like diamonds - or gold, since that topic has entered the conversation - baseball cards are not even remotely as useful as water. However, again much like diamonds, a single baseball card can command a price that exceeds thousands of gallons of water.

Solely within the framework of the American economy, I believe that the concept of diminishing marginal utility can be applied to water...and, within the hobby, collectors tend to chase cardboard "gems" or "gold" with the same mindset that others may consider when purchasing jewelry.

So, at the end of the day, what does all this mean? In my opinion, it means that diamonds, gold, and cardboard have varying levels of "usefulness," which has zero correlation to their "value."

Best Regards,

Eric