A new low in net54 lowball offers

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

So, baseball cards have no value because cardboard is not inherently "useful in life". And then you use gold as an example of something that is "useful in life". Amazing. Lol.

I can't believe you guys are still responding to him.

Luke - you need to come down for some Raniers games.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

So, baseball cards have no value because cardboard is not inherently "useful in life". And then you use gold as an example of something that is "useful in life". Amazing. Lol.

so you are saying baseball cards are more valuable then gold for prior present and future history

in my humble opinion gold is a lot more useful then cardboard....also I think in the world gold may be more valuable then baseball cards...maybe Im wrong.....don't think you can conduct electricity with cardboard for example....gold used in computers and electronics as well....guess that's not useful in life... amazing lol..

[D.P.Johnson]

When I was at the Sacramento show last Saturday a guy offered to sell me his entire table for $150.00 (it was 15 or so binders full of 80's/90's wax). I told him even if he GAVE me $150.00 I wouldn't take the cards. I can't believe the guy was trying to low-ball me like that......

[Sean]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Many people just have to "win" when they make a deal, that is part of their enjoyment of the hunt. If they cannot "win" a deal they will let the buyer/seller walk away.

I don't take this approach, but my girlfriend certainly does. It makes for some very tense moments between us when I'm making a big purchase.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so you are saying baseball cards are more valuable then gold for prior present and future history

in my humble opinion gold is a lot more useful then cardboard....also I think in the world gold may be more valuable then baseball cards...maybe Im wrong.....don't think you can conduct electricity with cardboard for example....gold used in computers and electronics as well....guess that's not useful in life... amazing lol..

I had a response typed out, but I think I'm going to heed Scott's advice instead.

Originally Posted by Runscott

I can't believe you guys are still responding to him.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I had a response typed out, but I think I'm going to heed Scott's advice instead.

not sure what you would be responding too...guess going to say cards are more useful than gold in life? heck its just cards who cares...

[vintagetoppsguy]

It's not a matter of being useful. Why does useful even matter? I'm not sure why you brought 'useful' up?

I have both - gold (and silver) and cards. They serve two different purposes. The cards bring me pleasure. The PMs bring me be security.

For that matter, copper is more 'useful' than gold. Does it make it worth more?

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

[botport]

Shameless plug of long dead thread...


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=184553

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It's not a matter of being useful. Why does useful even matter? I'm not sure why you brought 'useful' up?

I have both - gold (and silver) and cards. They serve two different purposes. The cards bring me pleasure. The PMs bring me be security.

For that matter, copper is more 'useful' than gold. Does it make it worth more?

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

The point I was saying was that any offer for a card is probably worth more than the paper the card is printed on so I don't disparage card low ball offers....cause its just cardboard.....plus we are talking about everyday cards where a poster was talking about a lowball offer of around $30.00.....I not going to argue the merits of circumstances where cards can be worth more than gold..i just said on the whole..in the world..gold has more useful value than cards...I don't think a ty cobb is worth much in Malaysia in the jungle for example....gold seems to have shown more usefulness in life than baseball cards in terms of trade value and use value...

I think people have tried to conquer people over gold ..but I don't see 1000s of people getting killed over cards...... again, you can always give a circumstance for your side...like cards more meaningful for you etc....I just saying overall...I think we can all agree that gold is more valuable....and I don't think its shocking to say that gold has value in real life use as a poster seems to be shocked by that comment.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not real sure why I'm having this conversation. Something tells me I'm going to regret it.

I think that every time I connect to the internet.

I like the blissful ignorance just after my coffee and prior to connecting…you know - that time when you are unaware of the millions of people online who need to be corrected.

[packs]

I will be the voice of hippie reason:

You're comparing two things with no intrinsic value. Gold has no value. Value has been assigned to it. Just like all things. So saying something like gold at least has value whereas cardboard does not, is a draw. Neither have value in itself. We have placed value on it.

What you're really saying is that any offer should be appreciated. But it's not because cardboard is worth less than gold.

Ladies and gentleman, good night.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I will be the voice of hippie reason:

You're comparing two things with no intrinsic value. Gold has no value. Value has been assigned to it. Just like all things. So saying something like gold at least has value whereas cardboard does not, is a draw. Neither have value in itself. We have placed value on it.

What you're really saying is that any offer should be appreciated. But it's not because cardboard is worth less than gold.

Ladies and gentleman, good night.

Disagree in part, that logic means nothing has 'value' I am going by 'usefulness' Gold is used to build things, parts in computers, conduct electricity...there zero usefulness to cards versus what you can find for free on the street..

AGree about the part saying any offer should be appreciated..

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

The point I was saying was that any offer for a card is probably worth more than the paper the card is printed on

But if you're exchanging cash for cards, then aren't you really just trading paper for paper?

I'm so confused

[packs]

I would argue that paper has much more value to man in his every day life than gold ever has but I don't want to get drawn into that argument.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

But if you're exchanging cash for cards, then aren't you really just trading paper for paper?

I'm so confused

AT one point there was a gold standard for cash... dollar bills were literally backed by gold...evidently there must of been some faith in gold.......never seen a baseball card standard where you can take your cards to fort knox for cards..but that would of been cool...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I would argue that paper has much more value to man in his every day life than gold ever has but I don't want to get drawn into that argument.

right easier to find trees/paper products on the street for free than gold..

[chaddurbin]

12% discount to a prewar crowd where dealers jack up an e95 common 300% is not similar to the cutthroat world of modern wax boxes. you guys stick to something you at least can feign knowledge about (prewar cards).

[GoldenAge50s]

Cardboard is worth MORE than gold, esp on a cold nite! I can load my woodstove w/ '88 Donruss & be nice & warm, while you (meaning ANYONE) sit there w/ your cold gold & freeze your -ss off!

[Eric72]

I respectfully contend that "usefulness" has absolutely nothing to do with "value." To wit, consider the paradox of value (diamond-water paradox) posited by Adam Smith.

Much like diamonds - or gold, since that topic has entered the conversation - baseball cards are not even remotely as useful as water. However, again much like diamonds, a single baseball card can command a price that exceeds thousands of gallons of water.

Solely within the framework of the American economy, I believe that the concept of diminishing marginal utility can be applied to water...and, within the hobby, collectors tend to chase cardboard "gems" or "gold" with the same mindset that others may consider when purchasing jewelry.

So, at the end of the day, what does all this mean? In my opinion, it means that diamonds, gold, and cardboard have varying levels of "usefulness," which has zero correlation to their "value."

Best Regards,

Eric

[calvindog]

I'm convinced Peter Chao has come back to Net 54 under a new name. There's no other explanation.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm convinced Peter Chao has come back to Net 54 under a new name. There's no other explanation.

Hi Jeff,

I'm confused that your post directly followed mine. Not sure who this Peter fellow is, bit it's certainly not me.

(Smart @$$ humor specifically noted, for those among us whose sarcasm meter may be temporarily disabled )

Best regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I'm convinced Peter Chao has come back to Net 54 under a new name. There's no other explanation.

Jake, did you move to Florida from the West Coast by any chance?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I respectfully contend that "usefulness" has absolutely nothing to do with "value." To wit, consider the paradox of value (diamond-water paradox) posited by Adam Smith.

Much like diamonds - or gold, since that topic has entered the conversation - baseball cards are not even remotely as useful as water. However, again much like diamonds, a single baseball card can command a price that exceeds thousands of gallons of water.

Solely within the framework of the American economy, I believe that the concept of diminishing marginal utility can be applied to water...and, within the hobby, collectors tend to chase cardboard "gems" or "gold" with the same mindset that others may consider when purchasing jewelry.

So, at the end of the day, what does all this mean? In my opinion, it means that diamonds, gold, and cardboard have varying levels of "usefulness," which has zero correlation to their "value."

Best Regards,

Eric

I think already touched on all those issues....can always talk about one exception..i was talking in general...plus this thread was about a 30 dollar offer on a card...not a t206 wagner.....usefulness does correlate to value on at least a basic level...I don't have use for a baseball card in most areas of the world

Currency has been in gold or gold backed for a reason...never seen currency with sports cards..... I think that would explain the better value in gold...but again I guess I wrong considering all the uses with baseball cards in the world sorry

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I think already touched on all those issues....can always talk about one exception..i was talking in general...plus this thread was about a 30 dollar offer on a card...not a t206 wagner.....usefulness does correlate to value on at least a basic level...I don't have use for a baseball card in most areas of the world

Currency has been in gold or gold backed for a reason...never seen currency with sports cards..... I think that would explain the better value in gold...but again I guess I wrong considering all the uses with baseball cards in the world sorry

You touched upon Adam Smith, macroeconomics, the diamond-water paradox, and diminishing marginal utility? Sorry, I missed that.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Currency has been in gold or gold backed for a reason

I won't go all Ben Bernanke on you on this topic. However, I will remind you that the world has been decoupled from the gold standard for well over 40 years.

And there's a reason for this.

[nolemmings]

However, I will remind you that the world has been decoupled from the gold standard for well over 40 years.

I've been decoupled. If not done properly it can hurt.

[begsu1013]

time is the most valuable commodity. and knowing that, i wish i had my 8 minutes back that it took to read the last few pages of this thread.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Eric72

However, I will remind you that the world has been decoupled from the gold standard for well over 40 years.

When did this happen, did they send out an email or something? Are these still any good?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

When did this happen, did they send out an email or something? Are these still any good?

lol, John. Great image, by the way.

I think Richard M. Nixon is better suited to answer your question than I am.

Best regards,

Eric

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

time is the most valuable commodity. and knowing that, i wish i had my 8 minutes back that it took to read the last few pages of this thread.

Have you ever gotten one of those emails composed from a random sentence generator? This is one of those Net54 threads that has just about as much meaning - proof that the internet has negative worth at times.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

time is the most valuable commodity. and knowing that, i wish i had my 8 minutes back that it took to read the last few pages of this thread.

This is the best post in this thread.

[bnorth]

To get it kinda back on subject I have bought a ton of cards off fellow forum members. Most of those times I have offered the asking price minus shipping. So I hope asking for free shipping is not lowballing too bad.

[bobbyw8469]

I once had someone offer me $50 less than what a well know card shop was paying for the exact same card in the exact same grade. And then acted insulted when I wouldn't take their offer. I just shipped it off and collected the extra $50. Try not to take it so hard.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

time is the most valuable commodity. and knowing that, i wish i had my 8 minutes back that it took to read the last few pages of this thread.

If you change you posts-per-page setting to 80 it will take less time to read the thread, ergo your life will have more useful value

[bobbyw8469]

LOL...the card market is heating up. However, some people are stuck in the past.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bnorth

To get it kinda back on subject I have bought a ton of cards off fellow forum members. Most of those times I have offered the asking price minus shipping. So I hope asking for free shipping is not lowballing too bad.

It's not always roses when buying and selling on Net54. Like Luke, I've had people counter my counter with $1 or $2. I have to admit - if I think things have gotten ridiculous, and it's an ebay transaction, I will ignore the person. I mean, stupid is stupid. But that's ebay.

I think of this forum as more of a group of friends, so I will put up with a lot more, and I've had people take advantage of that. Things that have happened to me repeatedly: a buyer Paypal'ing me a little less than the agreed-upon price, or subtracting the shipping (without asking) or sending regular Paypal when I specified 'gift' (which I now avoid) or sending the check/money order price (which is lower) but paying with normal Paypal so that I incur the fees. Just little things that you can't get away with on ebay, to whittle the price down…without asking. When this happens I just go ahead and send the item out and make a mental note. Fortunately the percentage of people who do this stuff is very small, but I've run into all of it.

[bobbyw8469]

Just curious as to why you avoid PayPal gift now?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Just curious as to why you avoid PayPal gift now?

I'm not sure about the IRS implications of Paypal gift. Also, I create shipping labels from ebay or Paypal and can't do that if using Paypal gift - much easier to stick the package in my mailbox for pick-up, as opposed to driving to the post office.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm not sure about the IRS implications of Paypal gift. Also, I create shipping labels from ebay or Paypal and can't do that if using Paypal gift - much easier to stick the package in my mailbox for pick-up, as opposed to driving to the post office.

You can still print and ship labels from Paypal...just need the address.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

You can still print and ship labels from Paypal...just need the address.

Please provide instructions. I've never been able to print labels from Paypal when using 'Paypal gift'.

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Just curious as to why you avoid PayPal gift now?

If you accept Paypal gift, and the person pays with paypal regular, what do you do?

I had this happen. Terms were Paypal gift, check, or money order. After 2+ months of "the check is in the mail," he states "the check must be lost" and sends regular Paypal.

Cheap card so no big deal, but the aggravation has stayed with me.

I don't envy you folks that sell a lot of stuff for having to deal with all of this.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Please provide instructions. I've never been able to print labels from Paypal when using 'Paypal gift'.

You can click on "MultiOrder Shipping" under seller tools and it will prompt you to start your own shipping label or click the link below:

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now

Oops! My link was bad...fixed now

[Luke]

This link should work Scott:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Secret-PayPa...7215096/g.html

The Rainiers are going to be fun to watch this year. If Montero is hitting cleanup, I'll definitely go for a game or two.

[Runscott]

Thanks Mike and Luke - that one had me stumped.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

You can click on "MultiOrder Shipping" under seller tools and it will prompt you to start your own shipping label or click the link below:

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now

Oops! My link was bad...fixed now

Note that you can use multi-order shipping with any type of package you want to ship, even if you weren't paid via Paypal Gift. I recently wanted to send a friend some things, and I just used Paypal multi-order shipping to print out a shipping label and take advantage of the commercial shipping rates. The only thing I couldn't figure out was how to charge the cost of the shipping to my credit card rather than having it automatically draw from my bank account.