Selling Cards that you do not own

[ezez420]

Yes it is the same one and only one card. He was seeking to buy the card but backed out of a deal because he could not sell first. Advertising a sale prior to having in possession. I am saying this is an unethical and dishonest approach not much more. He shouldn't be advertising cards that are not his. I am sure others are doing this but he is the one that was caught doing it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Yes it is the same one and only one card. He was seeking to buy the card but backed out of a deal because he could not sell first. Advertising a sale prior to having in possession. I am saying this is an unethical and dishonest approach not much more. He shouldn't be advertising cards that are not his. I am sure others are doing this but he is the one that was caught doing it.

I don't have as much of an issue with not having a card in possession IF THE card is on it's way to you from a trusted source. It's the not owning, or having consummated a solid deal, and trying to sell before that, that doesn't look good to me.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't have as much of an issue with not having a card in possession IF THE card is on it's way to you from a trusted source. It's the not owning, or having consummated a solid deal, and trying to sell before that, that doesn't look good to me.

Big difference between selling a card you own but don't have in your possession yet and selling a card you do not own at all. In one instance it is legal and in the other it isn't.

[bigtrain]

Interesting. What happens if I make a deal to sell a card
that I do not own and then am unable to acquire it? I have
entered an enforceable contract that I cannot perform.
Seems like a dangerous method of operation. Wondering if
anyone here has agreed to buy a card that could not be
delivered. What excuse did the seller use to back out?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Interesting. What happens if I make a deal to sell a card
that I do not own and then am unable to acquire it? I have
entered an enforceable contract that I cannot perform.
Seems like a dangerous method of operation. Wondering if
anyone here has agreed to buy a card that could not be
delivered. What excuse did the seller use to back out?

The seller told me someone contacted him after the auction ended, and offered him 10x more than my ebay "accepted" price

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[thetruthisoutthere]

Here's an example of what they do.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1992-Little-.../161627262288?

http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/spo...-graded-5.html

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

Wondering if
anyone here has agreed to buy a card that could not be
delivered. What excuse did the seller use to back out?

I once bought a pallet of uncut 1991 Georgia Tech Collegiate Collection sheets on eBay from krukcards; Price of the sheets including shipping worked out to about $1/sheet, with the shipping being 70% of that expense. After waiting about four days for it to be shipped, I contacted them, and they said it was no longer in their warehouse. How you lose a pallet with 500 uncut sheets on top of it, I have no idea. But they refunded my money and I gave them a neutral.

[Luke]

I had someone try to do this to me on this forum about a year ago. He saw that I was looking for a certain card for my e95 set. He then agreed to buy a copy of the card I was looking for from another member. He said he would send a check to the seller, and then immediately offered the card to me for $225 more than he agreed to pay the seller.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Ebay seller Smcomstore (SportsMemorabilia.com) sells items they do not possess.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item4d2576b425

I outed them a few years ago when they were listing and selling Derek Jeter forgeries certed by Global Authentics.

I once spoke to a rep from SM and he told me "We have a autograph contract with Derek Jeter."

Of course, it was a total lie.

They scour Ebay listings, copy the auction, mark up the price and then they list the item.

I do find it unethical if they (SportsMemorabilia.com) don't get permission from the owner and original Ebay seller of the item.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Ebay seller Smcomstore (SportsMemorabilia.com) sells items they do not possess.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item4d2576b425



I outed them a few years ago when they were listing and selling Derek Jeter forgeries certed by Global Authentics.



I once spoke to a rep from SM and he told me "We have a autograph contract with Derek Jeter."



Of course, it was a total lie.



They scour Ebay listings, copy the auction, mark up the price and then they list the item.



I do find it unethical if they (SportsMemorabilia.com) don't get permission from the owner and original Ebay seller of the item.

I remember not too long ago I saw an item that Mill Creek Sports Cards owned then was searching for comparable sales to that card because I was interested and saw it on another site.

I messaged Mill Creek to let them be aware, and they said this is a company they work with that has some of their items on consignment with a little markup.

Maybe this is similar?...


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[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I do find it unethical if they (SportsMemorabilia.com) don't get permission from the owner and original Ebay seller of the item.

I just checked my messages to Mill Creek and it's with that company (SportsMemorabili.com), but they have permission from Mill Creek to list, hopefully this is a similar case.


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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by ezez420

I put this in the wrong thread but it came into play when I realized that a person I was conversing with was a person that sells cards that he does not own. I currently own and have in possession a T206 Atz SGC 92. I showed it to a member or two. However, what was disturbing was that they asked if I got from CMIZ5290. No I did not get it from him nor did he ever OWN the card or have in his possession. I got it from a gentleman who had in his possession for quite some time. But yet he was advertising it and asking others if interested. Ed DeS.erio

Myself nor others appreciate when you try to sell a card that in fact you don't even own. That is unethical and dishonest. This is the card so if CMIZ5290 offered it to you he never even owned it.

Originally Posted by ezez420

Yes it is the same one and only one card. He was seeking to buy the card but backed out of a deal because he could not sell first. Advertising a sale prior to having in possession. I am saying this is an unethical and dishonest approach not much more. He shouldn't be advertising cards that are not his. I am sure others are doing this but he is the one that was caught doing it.

A similar situation came up a few years ago. IIRC, that board member was supsended from the B/S/T for a while.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=122382

I guess the difference in the two situations is that the Atz card wasn't listed on this forum, where the Uzit was. Other than that, its very similar.

[7nohitter]

I want an explanation from Mize

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I want an explanation from Mize

He will probably just come and be rude and condescending so don't hold your breathe.

[iwantitiwinit]

If it's true and I hope it's not, it's unsavory. I don't mind someone making money by buying from one source and selling to another however, if it resulted in cancelled sales because the card could not be obtained from the original source that is inexcusable. Straight out non-performance of an agreed upon contract.

[vthobby]

Good point and good word. My word was "inexcusable."

If it is true then it is quite baffling and tantamount to deceptive business practices. Very uncool for someone to do that on this forum/board.

What is also interesting, is the silence from said board member. After putting cards on the sell boards nonstop for weeks and most likely months and years......the silence is interesting to say the least.

Peace, Mike