Opinions wanted on card authenticity...

[bobbyw8469]

by the way...because of certain situations, let my vote be recorded. I think the card is FAKE, and the buyer got duped to the tune of $190.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

by the way...because of certain situations, let my vote be recorded. I think the card is FAKE, and the buyer got duped to the tune of $190.

He should consider himself lucky. I'd be willing to bet we've all learned more expensive lessons at one point or another.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by conor912

He should consider himself lucky. I'd be willing to bet we've all learned more expensive lessons at one point or another.

God yes....there is a famous Pawn Shop that most everyone knows that got me to the tune of $4,000+.

[bobbyw8469]

Denny....usually a fake card will come back QUESTIONABLE AUTH? or something along that line. I once had a Mantle card that some young kid decided would look better with a mustache. Then someone else erased it off (everything was in pencil). That card came back ALTERED STOCK. Granted, I have submitted soooooooo many cards, and have seen nearly every scenario imaginable, that I have forgotten if that has its own flip or if it comes back ALTERED like this one did. I do know that it would be mega easy to pair a rejection flip with a fake card. The seller gets to keep his real card, and is out the $5 he paid for the fake. He then dupes the mark for a "bargain" price with the mark thinking he got a steal, but he paid quite a bit more than the $5 that the fake cost.

[pencil1974]

Just from the photo the printing doesn't look right, looks more like its from an inkjet printer than a regular offset press. Have you looked at it under a loop?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Just from the photo the printing doesn't look right, looks more like its from an inkjet printer than a regular offset press. Have you looked at it under a loop?

I don't own the card Brad. I saw it on Ebay, and thought right away it was a fake. I used to be able to warn people that the item they purchased was fake and helped them get their money back. With the new Ebay changes, that all stopped. The only hope now for the buyer to get their money back, is to send the item in for grading, and hope that the time limit hasn't passed to file a claim. It used to be 45 days. There was talk of extending it to 6 months, but not sure if that came to be or not.

[pencil1974]

I think its still 45 days if I'm not mistaken.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Denny....usually a fake card will come back QUESTIONABLE AUTH? or something along that line. I once had a Mantle card that some young kid decided would look better with a mustache. Then someone else erased it off (everything was in pencil). That card came back ALTERED STOCK. Granted, I have submitted soooooooo many cards, and have seen nearly every scenario imaginable, that I have forgotten if that has its own flip or if it comes back ALTERED like this one did. I do know that it would be mega easy to pair a rejection flip with a fake card. The seller gets to keep his real card, and is out the $5 he paid for the fake. He then dupes the mark for a "bargain" price with the mark thinking he got a steal, but he paid quite a bit more than the $5 that the fake cost.

Yeah Bob, I hear ya...

It was just a gut feel from my past experience with Mantle's & PSA...
I just think PSA can be pretty Lazy at times!

Just another Day iN da Hobby... RiGHT!

[drcy]

I've never submitted and don't know the rules, but I would have assumed that if real (which it is not) the card would be holdered and graded as poor. Strictly talking about condition, it's in poor condition.

I guess the lesson for the particular buyer is to buy a 52 Bowman Mantle actually in a PSA holder and not next to one.