proof uncut sheet in Hunt's

[bobfreedman]

I had originally thought it was a Helmar repro type piece that possibly was done in the late 70's - 90's.

[gnaz01]

WOW!!!!

[Jobu]

My first thought was fantasy piece too though I have no idea what this is. One reason I wonder is the inconsistent use of first names. Also, some names are black on very dark backgrounds and are hard to read. Do any of the printing guys see anything about the ink, paper, whether or not that font existed in the teens, etc that might suggest when this was made?

The cop/guard behind Davis is awesome - does anyone know if these images are based on real photos?

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Jobu

My first thought was fantasy piece too though I have no idea what this is. One reason I wonder is the inconsistent use of first names. Also, some names are black on very dark backgrounds and are hard to read. Do any of the printing guys see anything about the ink, paper, whether or not that font existed in the teens, etc that might suggest when this was made?

The cop/guard behind Davis is awesome - does anyone know if these images are based on real photos?

There have been a lot of fantasy pieces cropping up such that I am really cautious on anything like this. A number of Mantle pieces are trying to mimic the attributes of the '61 Mantle dice card.....and the cards looked pretty nice too.

Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

I had originally thought it was a Helmar repro type piece that possibly was done in the late 70's - 90's.

That is what Scott B and I thought too. Good luck with that...

[DixieBaseball]

It's a beautiful piece! It feels like to me it was a piece done in the late 40's or early 50's in color! My favorite is Hub Perdue in sweater. Great image I have never seen before... Very unusual and interesting piece. If its period, its a good price in my opinion. If it is done 20-30 yrs later, its worth a fraction of that... Just not sure. It still looks great and new poses. My question to the forum is does anyone see a pose they recognize from an old picture?

Is that Frank Baker front on view from this E96 side view? I feel like I am looking at a Philly Caramel Front and Side view. (Front being proof)

[pawpawdiv9]

I PM'ed Leon about this piece earlier in the auction, but held to not 'out' the auction to to learn about what it is from the experts on this board. I bidded on 2 items and got 1 last night (Banks RC) I was watching those Wagner pieces, thinking they were nice.
As for this, the decription said maybe American Caramel or close to it. I too thought maybe one of those Helmar pieces i see often in Ebay. Anyways its a nice vibrant colorful piece whatever it is.
I didnt even know its the only piece with Cobb and Joe together.

[ullmandds]

Regardless of what it is...I don't think the buyer will ever recoup his/her losses on this one!!!!

[packs]

I don't know about this one. Very different from the Universal Toy Novelty panels that have Ruth and Speaker and Walter Johnson. These look like they were meant to be machine cut, since they have crop marks. The novelty cards were meant to be in a panel.

[4815162342]

Due to current sizing contraints for SGC and PSA holders we were not able to have the piece encapsulated but fully guarantee its authenticity as well as the fact that it would be deemed authentic by either grading company should said holders become available

Was there an LOA from both of them stating this?

Edit: Nevermind I just reread that sentence.

[Jobu]

I don't think those are crop marks but rather printer's marks. Crop marks are to guide the cut, as you mention, while printer's marks are to guide the registration to make sure that the image is perfectly registered (i.e., no color shifts). Printer's marks are found on artist proofs so they can see the image as clearly as possible and make any necessary adjustments before production begins and printer's marks are traded out for crop marks. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here.

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know about this one. Very different from the Universal Toy Novelty panels that have Ruth and Speaker and Walter Johnson. These look like they were meant to be machine cut, since they have crop marks. The novelty cards were meant to be in a panel.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Regardless of what it is...I don't think the buyer will ever recoup his/her losses on this one!!!!

Sure he will. He'll just tell potential buyers that he can't go lower than what he paid for it because "that's what [he] has into it."

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Sure he will. He'll just tell potential buyers that he can't go lower than what he paid for it because "that's what [he] has into it."

Right, right...Jeff...I've used that line once or twice myself...just never on a suspect $40K item!

[edjs]

These remind me of the 1936 Pastels, except for the player names. Could they be a proof for a subsequent set or a rejected prototype?

[Bridwell]

It seems too good to be true. A few things made me think twice about bidding. The images are fuzzy, as if somebody reproduced from original photos, but in slightly lower resolution. There were some techniques where B&W photos were "colorized" with color added on top of a sepia or B&W photo. That could have been done anytime in the last 100 years. The cream colored stock and wear on the back is just what you would use if you were creating something to look old. It's surprising the front is in such mint condition, as if the front was glued onto an older back stock. A lot of B&W photos of the old timers are appearing lately. A lot of new and interesting poses I had never seen before. So these could be unique photos from someone's private collection where they created a fantasy piece. Also there's no connection to a product or advertiser. Lots of questions.