Magie cards

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

To me the most relevant point here is that the 'EE' letters were modified AND moved on the surface of the card, so effectively that the alteration could not be detected under whatever magnification PSA uses.

This is huge and scary.

If PSA misses paperloss on a PSA 6 without magnification, how can they determine an alteration with magnification?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If PSA misses paperloss on a PSA 6 without magnification, how can they determine an alteration with magnification?

David, I always assumed they look at cards under magnification - especially prime alteration suspects like this Magie, but I assumed they would magnify any card of 'value'. When David and I looked at Pete's 'missing name' T206, the loupe was imperative. I feel certain we would have noticed 'EE' tampering, which is why I think it's a big deal if PSA checked this card out the way we do, and couldn't see any tampering. Not knocking PSA - I'm assuming David (Cycleback) and I wouldn't have spotted the problem either.

Anyone, am I wrong about this?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Runscott

David, I always assumed they look at cards under magnification - especially prime alteration suspects like this Magie, but I assumed they would magnify any card of 'value'. When David and I looked at Pete's 'missing name' T206, the loupe was imperative. I feel certain we would have noticed 'EE' tampering, which is why I think it's a big deal if PSA checked this card out the way we do, and couldn't see any tampering. Not knocking PSA - I'm assuming David (Cycleback) and I wouldn't have spotted the problem either.

Anyone, am I wrong about this?

scott...you guys would have undoubtedly detected the alteration.

[Runscott]

Pete, if that's the case, then no way PSA would spot any issues with your card; thus, no reason not to slab it as a 'missing name' card. If they refuse to, then it means they just guess about things.

[ullmandds]

well scott...not sure if u saw that psa DID grade it...gave it a #...called it miscut...and made no mention of the name missing.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

well scott...not sure if u saw that psa DID grade it...gave it a #...called it miscut...and made no mention of the name missing.

I missed that, but congratulations - it means they didn't detect alteration, and we know it's not a miscut.

[Econteachert205]

I'd personally rather get shilled on 10 cards that are legit than to end up with one altered card. one feels somewhat similar to the other, but shall we say, sans lubrication.