Saco River T206s....

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

I don't worry about hammers with my collection, just when patching up the barn. I'm just a Jarhead Hillbilly and like the old sport and history of baseball and the cards are a nice way to tie them together. When it becomes stressful or a point of contention, I just laugh and back off of the hobby for awhile. TPG's are a pain in my ass as a collector and as a realist and simple objective thinker - I don't see any of them being worth a premium so I pass when it's applied. T206 are overly abundant and patience will pay off.

those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...

[Gradedcardman]

Definitely a Friday night...

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

Definitely a Friday night...

not so Adam, I'm done. To all a good night.....

[25801wv]

I have crossed over a couple cards from PSA to SGC and here are the results.

1933 Goudey PSA 1.5 (MK) to SGC 2

1980 Topps PSA 7 to SGC 8.5

And
1949 Bowman SGC 1 to PSA 1

In my opinion PSA grades cards tougher than SGC or BVG and that is why a SGC 7 is priced slightly higher than a PSA 6.

[steve B]

I think some of this is because the two main grading companies place more emphasis on different things. I think for prewar PSA is more forgiving of creases. I'd always thought that a visible crease would keep a card out of VG unless the rest of it was really great. But I see a lot of PSA cards that have a visible crease and are graded VG.

They also seem to be lenient on minor paper loss. SGC hits even really small bits of paper loss on the back more harshly.

Neither company is as consistent as I'd like to see especially on mid grade cards. Lately I've seen a lot of corners on SGC 50's that I think are just too worn for VG-EX. And I've gotten a couple grades from them that puzzle me but are in my favor. The few I thought were undergraded were explained pretty quickly when I asked in person, and they easily pointed out things I hadn't noticed. A Tiny crease one a 50 that looks much nicer, and an erasure of a very light pencil mark on a 40 that I've owned since probably 83 and figured for a 50. Knowing they spotted stuff I didn't even when I looked pretty closely before sending them in made me feel a bit more comfortable about the grades.

But such things are subjective, and the grading involves people, so it will be inconsistent. And that applies to ALL grading.

I chose SGC mostly because I wasn't keen on PSAs model of paying $100 up front for the privilege of spending even more with them. Sure you get free submissions, but when I wanted to send in a few cards to try it there just weren't enough to cover the 100 if I didn't want to do more than the first few. I've done more since, figuring that if the kids aren't into cards at all when I'm gone they'll have an easier time unloading the stuff. But many of my cards don't require grading. Mostly commons that would grade from A to about 2 - They're pretty much what they are and grading is currently pointless.

I may eventually do some more modern stuff through PSA, since the resale is a bit better with the registry stuff. Oddly, the modern cards I've sent to SGC really didn't do well. (The nicest 81 Donruss I've ever seen including ones straight from the packs when they were new and it only got an 8?!)

The other puzzle is that the stuff that slides by at VG for prewar wouldn't even get close if it was a postwar card.

Steve Birmingham

[Sean]

Originally Posted by steve B

The other puzzle is that the stuff that slides by at VG for prewar wouldn't even get close if it was a postwar card.

Steve Birmingham

Absolutely agree.


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[slidekellyslide]

PSA has a monetary reason for grading harder than the other companies. The set registry and the continued pursuit for the world's best set. The only thing that both companies should strive for is consistency in grading...not necessarily with each other, but today's PSA 4 should look like yesterday's PSA 4.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by steve B

[...]
I think for prewar PSA is more forgiving of creases. I'd always thought that a visible crease would keep a card out of VG unless the rest of it was really great. But I see a lot of PSA cards that have a visible crease and are graded VG.

[...]

The other puzzle is that the stuff that slides by at VG for prewar wouldn't even get close if it was a postwar card.

Steve Birmingham

Originally Posted by Sean

Absolutely agree.


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Completely agree, e.g.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...

threads like this confirm that, you, kevin...are a dumb ass. you are the one beating the same dead horse over and over and over again...and you are the PSA ass kisser...and the one who cares so much about this nonsense.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...

"Conrats" yourself. This "dumb ass" put himself through school thanks to the rewards granted for serving years as a forward operating Marine in Afghanistan. I'm confidently skilled enough to not represent your opinion of me after a light hearted comment. It's just baseball cards, no need to call names. You would not feel comfortable doing it to my face so don't do it here.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

those comments confirm that you are a dumb ass, conrats....Might be a jug of moonshine waiting for you if you play your cards right...

Seriously? I thought what he said was pretty cool and the way many of us feel about the hobby.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Seriously? I thought what he said was pretty cool and the way many of us feel about the hobby.

kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.

sorry for any bad feelings. what do you care about Pete? It's amazing how you and David chime in at the same time!

[ullmandds]

I care about my friends...and family. I care about fairness...and doing the right thing.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

what do you care about Pete?

I'm not Pete, but can I answer? I care about my enjoyment of the hobby. I could care less about how much money that I make (or lose) when it's time to sell.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

sorry for any bad feelings. what do you care about Pete? It's amazing how you and David chime in at the same time!

I fueled the fire and wasn't clear that I was just busting balls. I know it's a sore topic so should have expected a personal backlash. There is honestly a jar of moonshine very nearby so I will take your advice.

[Mikehealer]

Eric, you are a class act!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

Eric, you are a class act!

agreed...too classy in this case!

I would LOVE working in your mouth, Kevin...it'd be the marathon man all over again!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

I fueled the fire and wasn't clear that I was just busting balls. I know it's a sore topic so should have expected a personal backlash. There is honestly a jar of moonshine very nearby so I will take your advice.

I would hate to see this devolve into a moonshine bashing thread. I had some moonshine last fall for the first time and am looking forward to doing it again. Sorry for interrupting the show. Carry on.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

kevin only cares about $$$$$...he is not shy about this.

Pete- you know thats a bunch of bull****. I can go back to threads 3 and 4 years ago, you're now a saint? You never start any confrontations??

[ullmandds]

keep talking kevin...your stupidity continues to shine through!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

keep talking kevin...your stupidity continues to shine through!

How about your stupidity? God only knows I would hate you working inside my mouth....

[BlueDevil89]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

How about your stupidity? God only knows I would hate you working inside my mouth....

There seems to be an uncomfortable anti-dentite undercurrent running through this thread. Remember when we first became aware of anti-dentite discrimination that exists in this country:

Kramer: You think that dentists are so different from me and you? They came to this country just like everybody else, in search of a dream.

Jerry: Kramer, he's just a dentist.

Kramer: Yeah, and you're an anti-dentite.

Jerry: I am not an anti-dentite!

Kramer: You're a rabid anti-dentite! Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some slurs. "Hey, denty!" Next thing you know you're saying they should have their own schools.

Jerry: They do have their own schools!