Bite by three dogs...what to do?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BicycleSpokes

Honest question: If they make such great pets, why are pit mixes abandoned at such a rate that they are literally the majority of abandoned dogs found in the shelters?

(Also, Jim, hope you are recovering well!)

Part of the answer to that is in the story that Phil linked. Many are abandoned because of the owners living in apartments where the managment doesn't allow pit bulls.

Ok, then the next question should be "Why wouldn't an apartment complez allow pit bulls?" Simple, because many families and children live in apartment complexes and pit bulls are naturally aggressive. The apartment complex does not want to be sued in the event of an attack.

Another reason that many end up in shelters is because the owners get them and then realize how aggressive they are and just don't want them anymore.

Whatever the reason, it all leads back to the same point. Pit bulls are aggressive.

[pgellis]

David, don't you want to answer my question?

Would you want Ben, Dave & Myself to euthanize our pets?

[packs]

Never mind. You clearly don't like pit bulls and no one is going to change your mind. I can accept that but wish you wouldn't wish death upon random dogs without taking to task anything the owner did to that dog.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

You clearly don't like pit bulls and no one is going to change your mind.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is???

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is???

Not true. I have brought my dog to PetSmart.

Here you go with your ignorance again and picking and choosing what to respond to.

[buymycards]

I have a lawyer friend here in Wisconsin. He told me that if I ever get bit by a dog, I should give him a call. He said it is an easy $10,000 in my pocket.

I have never followed up on it, but you might want to contact an attorney.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I have a lawyer friend here in Wisconsin. He told me that if I ever get bit by a dog, I should give him a call. He said it is an easy $10,000 in my pocket.

I have never followed up on it, but you might want to contact an attorney.

That's a lot of cardboard, or at least a real rare one or two,

but the shih tzu next door is too god damn friendly.

[packs]

Right. I'll ask one more time just for fun: have you ever had any experience at all with a pit bull personally? As in: have you ever owned a pit bull or spent a significant amount of time with one?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can change my mind. Let's do this. I'll meet you at PetSmart, you bring your dog and I'll bring mine and the two can play together while you're educating me on how wonderful pit bulls are. Oh, wait a minute. Nevermind, pit bulls are NOT ALLOWED at PetSmart (among many other places). I wonder why that is???

We bring pitties into Pet Stores all the time, without anybody ever saying a word to us.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

We bring pitties into Pet Stores all the time, without anybody ever saying a word to us.

They are allowed (on a leash) into the grooming and training areas, but they are not allowed to mingle with other dogs.

If your PetSmart allows you to do that, then they are simply turning a blind eye.

The "Bully Breed" policy is posted on their corporate website.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by pgellis

David, don't you want to answer my question?

Would you want Ben, Dave & Myself to euthanize our pets?

I already answered your question. Let me be crystal clear. I think ALL pit bulls should be euthanized so things like this are not allowed to happen...




The results of a pit bull attack.

Or things like this...

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2009/11/col...lp-attack.html

[pgellis]

You can only try to educate an ignorant person for so long. David is not going to change his mind. He's read everything he has needed to form his prejudice opinion.

All of your personal experience with pitbulls is impressive.

And you would have me euthanize my dog because someone was attacked by a "pit bull" in California? That makes a heck of a lot of sense.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by pgellis

You can only try to educate an ignorant person for so long. David is not going to change his mind. He's read everything he has needed to form his prejudice opinion.

All of your personal experience with pitbulls is impressive.

And you would have me euthanize my dog because someone was attacked by a "pit bull" in California? That makes a heck of a lot of sense.

No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?

This entire discussion evolved from the OP's unfortunate incident that took place in California. You made your ignorant opinion public by saying that you think all pit bulls should be euthanized.

So, I merely asked that "Should I have to euthanize my pet due to the circumstances of the OP that occurred in California"?

[packs]

It is just frustrating that someone who apparently has no experience at all with a pit bull would be so dismissive when people who have experience with pit bulls share their point of view.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by pgellis

This entire discussion evolved from the OP's unfortunate incident that took place in California. You made your ignorant opinion public by saying that you think all pit bulls should be euthanized.

So, I merely asked that "Should I have to euthanize my pet due to the circumstances of the OP that occurred in California"?

Ok, Phil, let me throw some statistics at you that might hit you a little closer to home (statistics below from Boston).

In 2011, there were 267 reported dog attacks, 54 by pit bulls (20%)
In 2012, there were 251 reported dog attacks, 53 by pit bulls (21%)
In 2013, there were 287 reported dog attacks, 88 by pit bulls (30%)
I do not have complete data for 2014, but at the time the article was published, there were 123 reported dog attacks, 39 by pit bulls (32%)

Notice a trend in the increase?

But pit bulls only make up 3% of the dog population in Boston.

Phil, it doesn't matter what part of the country we're talking about, all the stats are pretty close.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, Phil, I'm not going to change my mind. I've seen too many stories, video footage and pictures of the aftermath of a pit bull attack. It bothers me even more when it's a child.

What does California have to do with anything? Are pit bull attacks isolated to only California?

I really hate to bring this up, but I found your posts a bit ironic considering the stances and arguments you make as a hyper-vigilant gun rights advocate.

Rationalizations are brought up like, Pools are dangerous to, why don't we ban pools. Kids die in pools all the time.

From statistics I can find 307 people total have been killed in the U.S. AND Canada by Pit Bulls and Pit Bull mixes in the 32 year span of 1982 to 2014. That's "total"! Kids, Adults, etc......

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/32-year-...ack-trends.pdf


Now, I'm going to forget about total gun deaths per year in the U.S. alone, because that's just not fair. Total accidental gun deaths alone.........scrap that out because it's just a vulgar number.

How about just total "accidental" gun deaths in the U.S. alone for children under the age of 18. It's a tough statistic to even pin down, but it seems it ranges in the "100" number.....per year. About half that if you count children under the age of 13.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...-we-dont-know/


I won't even get into the number of people maimed by dogs (all dogs), compared to the number of people maimed by guns.

But I bet, depending on the state you live in, you can bring any number of guns into a PetSmart, without any repercussions at all.

Funny, it just so happens the gun lobby is far more powerful then the pit bull lobby.

You may claim none of this makes any sense to you, they are strawman arguments, not relevant to the point...........but I would disagree with you, especially if I chose to attack with the same logic you are to this topic.

[packs]

I'm expressing my own opinions which I've formed during my own experiences. You are telling me my experiences are invalid because of someone else's third hand account. But you have nothing to add yourself. So that is frustrating for many other reasons than the hypothetical arguments you're making.

[D. Bergin]

As to the original poster in this thread. I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. Depending on what state you live in, it's pretty cut and dry regarding dog bites that you could get a fairly significant payout from the homeowners insurance company, should you want to go that route, without very much resistance at all. Especially if your injuries have been well documented.

Myself, in my 6 year career as a UPS delivery driver, I was bitten a good half a dozen times by different dogs. Never really serious, except for one time. Always had it taken care of at an urgent care center, and then UPS's insurance company would go after them to cover the health care costs, whatever they might have been. I never went after them personally for compensation, but might have a different view if I was attacked as bad as you were.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Pit bulls were originally bred for blood sports. That is documented fact, whether anybody agrees or not. They were bred to attack and kill. Period.

Let's say I own both a gun and a pit bull. I can control whether my gun kills or not. I cannot control whether my pit bull is going to attack or not.

You're right, I don't think it's relevant, but I did address it.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Part of the answer to that is in the story that Phil linked. Many are abandoned because of the owners living in apartments where the managment doesn't allow pit bulls.

Ok, then the next question should be "Why wouldn't an apartment complez allow pit bulls?" Simple, because many families and children live in apartment complexes and pit bulls are naturally aggressive. The apartment complex does not want to be sued in the event of an attack.

Another reason that many end up in shelters is because the owners get them and then realize how aggressive they are and just don't want them anymore.

Whatever the reason, it all leads back to the same point. Pit bulls are aggressive.

Pits are also an incredibly abused breed, yes most of them are dirt cheap and they tend to have huge litters. As bad as it is to say, they are the dog of choice in low rent and uneducated areas. I've lost count of how many female pits we've had in the shelter, who are just tossed out on the street after having a large litter of pups.

They are a working breed, even if they are not classified as such, and they need to be exercised regularly, just like any other working breed of dogs. People who keep them cooped up in small apartments, in tiny kennels and in backyards with thick chains attached to their necks should not own pit bulls. They can go crazy, just like people can.

If we don't have the time or energy to walk our dogs ourselves (and in reality most people don't for what most dogs really need), we throw them on a treadmill to get the proper amount of exercise.

I'm not going to pretend otherwise, Pits are the preferred dog of dogfighters, because they have powerful jaws, they can clamp down on their prey (they don't have lockjaw), and they have a super high tolerance for pain.

They are also extremely forgiving of their owners/masters. Meaning, these scumbags who fight dogs, can beat the ever loving snot out of them in training, and that pit will live for the one day a week that owner gives them positive attention, without ever turning on their master.