Hard work equals success PWCC

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well here we go again..i consigned my cards..i didn't schill my own auction..

some went for 30% over VCP....you really think someone is shilling when its over 10% VCP? ..I know you will say every card isn't shilled but then why comment about when its possible the people remarking on this threads cards may not have been shilled when you comment makes it look like they all are..

I will let you know if I see any of the cards re-listed that I consigned by pwcc....but if I am already paid ..how does it benefit pwcc to relist it again...to get his money back? counting on getting more than 30% VCP ?

I understand there may be shilling potentially..but I just don't see it as rampant as to say its occurring on all cards....some of my cards went for under VCP as well......but in the whole they did fine..

No one said you shilled your cards, no one said all PWCC cards are shilled, no one said PWCC is shilling their own auctions. What I did say, and what many others have shown with bidder histories, is that PWCC and Probstein have a history of anomalous prices on items with bid histories that are driven by low feedback bidders with nearly 100% bidding in those sellers' auctions, which is indicative of consignor shilling, and that before we heap praise on the outcomes of these auctions it would be wise to look at the bidding history on the anomalous results.

[D.P.Johnson]

Well, yeah.....................but it's never been PROVEN......So, THERE!!!!


Oh no, nevermind...........I forgot............It has been proven...........

[jerrystar]

The original post had two main points. The first point was about the quality, range of years covered, and diversity of the items offered. His second point was that people were competing to win those lots. This is an example of why it is not good to address anyone positive in a forum. People will come and bring up something negative, often because of jealousy. I do think both points are correct and the points being brought up are not relevant to the original post. Moreover, Probstein was not even a part of the topic, so why is he being criticized? A different point is brought up that is constantly brought up which does not address the post. The second point did not state that record level prices were set, just that with the wide range of material being offered, people were still competing to win the items. Even if a card is relisted in a subsequent auction, that could be because the buyer did not pay; it is not dispositive of the implication some people mention.

Since people brought it up, perhaps you should understand the PWCC model which is unquestionably successful. PWCC might sell a card for more than say some of us can list on ebay or it might sell for more than one of us have it listed for. Sometimes, but not all the time. Yes it can be frustrating to some people, but it is reality. The reality is if a card is probably worth more than $100, it is better for PWCC to auction the card than for you to do it yourself. Why? First, he will get more visibility. His auctions are announced and more people will take the time to check ebay. People are reminded through emails and there are advertisements on the ebay home page and other web sites. I am sure some buyers do not have time to check ebay constantly and will check his auctions or other listings from only certain sellers. People on ebay now are throwing up auctions for only 5 days. If you want to use those as a benchmark, some people do not even see them. Second, his auctions are well organized and scheduled to end by sport, category, etc. Third, he does international shipping which opens up bidding to a much wider number of bidders. Fourth, he offers a payment plan for those that cannot pay in full. Fifth, no matter how well you are doing on ebay, some people will never trust random ebay sellers. Sixth, some people only buy via auctions because they believe it sets the fair market price. Seventh, his auctions are well written and usually have high quality scans.

One person states his listings are annual, one says every month, one says 11 months of the year. He does auctions 10 times a year and takes 2 months off.

In general, the card market is as healthy now as it has been in the past 5 years and even key rookie/star cards of those you might not consider vintage or rare have been going up. I would think this is a good thing for those who say they enjoy sports cards or like the hobby.

PWCC has built a nice business model and built up client relationships for years. He is well organized and knows the industry. Sorry if a nice post brings out jealousy. If you do not want to bid, do not bid. If you want to bid, bid. And if you want to bid, bid no more than you are willing to pay. It is that simple.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jerrystar

The original post had two main points. The first point was about the quality, range of years covered, and diversity of the items offered. His second point was that people were competing to win those lots. This is an example of why it is not good to address anyone positive in a forum. People will come and bring up something negative, often because of jealousy. I do think both points are correct and the points being brought up are not relevant to the original post. Moreover, Probstein was not even a part of the topic, so why is he being criticized? A different point is brought up that is constantly brought up which does not address the post. The second point did not state that record level prices were set, just that with the wide range of material being offered, people were still competing to win the items. Even if a card is relisted in a subsequent auction, that could be because the buyer did not pay; it is not dispositive of the implication some people mention.

Since people brought it up, perhaps you should understand the PWCC model which is unquestionably successful. PWCC might sell a card for more than say some of us can list on ebay or it might sell for more than one of us have it listed for. Sometimes, but not all the time. Yes it can be frustrating to some people, but it is reality. The reality is if a card is probably worth more than $100, it is better for PWCC to auction the card than for you to do it yourself. Why? First, he will get more visibility. His auctions are announced and more people will take the time to check ebay. People are reminded through emails and there are advertisements on the ebay home page and other web sites. I am sure some buyers do not have time to check ebay constantly and will check his auctions or other listings from only certain sellers. People on ebay now are throwing up auctions for only 5 days. If you want to use those as a benchmark, some people do not even see them. Second, his auctions are well organized and scheduled to end by sport, category, etc. Third, he does international shipping which opens up bidding to a much wider number of bidders. Fourth, he offers a payment plan for those that cannot pay in full. Fifth, no matter how well you are doing on ebay, some people will never trust random ebay sellers. Sixth, some people only buy via auctions because they believe it sets the fair market price. Seventh, his auctions are well written and usually have high quality scans.

One person states his listings are annual, one says every month, one says 11 months of the year. He does auctions 10 times a year and takes 2 months off.

In general, the card market is as healthy now as it has been in the past 5 years and even key rookie/star cards of those you might not consider vintage or rare have been going up. I would think this is a good thing for those who say they enjoy sports cards or like the hobby.

PWCC has built a nice business model and built up client relationships for years. He is well organized and knows the industry. Sorry if a nice post brings out jealousy. If you do not want to bid, do not bid. If you want to bid, bid. And if you want to bid, bid no more than you are willing to pay. It is that simple.

+1

[vthobby]

Sorry,

I got distracted there for a day or two.....what was this original thread about again?

Peace, Mike

[D.P.Johnson]

Nice first post, but it's difficult to take the original poster's words at face value considering his history...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jerrystar

The original post had two main points. The first point was about the quality, range of years covered, and diversity of the items offered. His second point was that people were competing to win those lots. This is an example of why it is not good to address anyone positive in a forum. People will come and bring up something negative, often because of jealousy. I do think both points are correct and the points being brought up are not relevant to the original post. Moreover, Probstein was not even a part of the topic, so why is he being criticized? A different point is brought up that is constantly brought up which does not address the post. The second point did not state that record level prices were set, just that with the wide range of material being offered, people were still competing to win the items. Even if a card is relisted in a subsequent auction, that could be because the buyer did not pay; it is not dispositive of the implication some people mention.

Since people brought it up, perhaps you should understand the PWCC model which is unquestionably successful. PWCC might sell a card for more than say some of us can list on ebay or it might sell for more than one of us have it listed for. Sometimes, but not all the time. Yes it can be frustrating to some people, but it is reality. The reality is if a card is probably worth more than $100, it is better for PWCC to auction the card than for you to do it yourself. Why? First, he will get more visibility. His auctions are announced and more people will take the time to check ebay. People are reminded through emails and there are advertisements on the ebay home page and other web sites. I am sure some buyers do not have time to check ebay constantly and will check his auctions or other listings from only certain sellers. People on ebay now are throwing up auctions for only 5 days. If you want to use those as a benchmark, some people do not even see them. Second, his auctions are well organized and scheduled to end by sport, category, etc. Third, he does international shipping which opens up bidding to a much wider number of bidders. Fourth, he offers a payment plan for those that cannot pay in full. Fifth, no matter how well you are doing on ebay, some people will never trust random ebay sellers. Sixth, some people only buy via auctions because they believe it sets the fair market price. Seventh, his auctions are well written and usually have high quality scans.

One person states his listings are annual, one says every month, one says 11 months of the year. He does auctions 10 times a year and takes 2 months off.

In general, the card market is as healthy now as it has been in the past 5 years and even key rookie/star cards of those you might not consider vintage or rare have been going up. I would think this is a good thing for those who say they enjoy sports cards or like the hobby.

PWCC has built a nice business model and built up client relationships for years. He is well organized and knows the industry. Sorry if a nice post brings out jealousy. If you do not want to bid, do not bid. If you want to bid, bid. And if you want to bid, bid no more than you are willing to pay. It is that simple.

Welcome to the forum. Nice long post with several opinions on a company. Please put your real name on that post according to forum rules. The rule is easy to find it is at the top of every page.

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Welcome to the forum. Nice long post with several opinions on a company. Please put your real name on that post according to forum rules. The rule is easy to find it is at the top of every page.

+1

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

+1

I always accept help when warranted. Thanks fellas.....

Edited to add another cent of opinion. PWCC is an advertiser so that can be taken into account, but regardless, I think they do a pretty good job. I met Brent at the last National and we had some good conversations.

[HRBAKER]

Ah yes, Days of Wine & Roses!

[jerrystar]

I could put my name, but I do not believe the rule requires it as you state. I said what I had to say. My post was not accusatory or argumentative. My putting my name would be voluntarily pursuant to the rules of the forum. I just signed up and posted and that is how my comment came out.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jerrystar

I could put my name, but I do not believe the rule requires it as you state. I said what I had to say. My post was not accusatory or argumentative. My putting my name would be voluntarily pursuant to the rules of the forum. I just signed up and posted and that is how my comment came out.

This is the rule- "If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post."

You don't feel you gave an opinion of PWCC?

.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

This is the rule- "If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post."

You don't feel you gave an opinion of PWCC?

.

clearly his full name is warranted ...

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by jerrystar

The original post had two main points. The first point was about the quality, range of years covered, and diversity of the items offered. His second point was that people were competing to win those lots. This is an example of why it is not good to address anyone positive in a forum. People will come and bring up something negative, often because of jealousy. I do think both points are correct and the points being brought up are not relevant to the original post. Moreover, Probstein was not even a part of the topic, so why is he being criticized? A different point is brought up that is constantly brought up which does not address the post. The second point did not state that record level prices were set, just that with the wide range of material being offered, people were still competing to win the items. Even if a card is relisted in a subsequent auction, that could be because the buyer did not pay; it is not dispositive of the implication some people mention.

Since people brought it up, perhaps you should understand the PWCC model which is unquestionably successful. PWCC might sell a card for more than say some of us can list on ebay or it might sell for more than one of us have it listed for. Sometimes, but not all the time. Yes it can be frustrating to some people, but it is reality. The reality is if a card is probably worth more than $100, it is better for PWCC to auction the card than for you to do it yourself. Why? First, he will get more visibility. His auctions are announced and more people will take the time to check ebay. People are reminded through emails and there are advertisements on the ebay home page and other web sites. I am sure some buyers do not have time to check ebay constantly and will check his auctions or other listings from only certain sellers. People on ebay now are throwing up auctions for only 5 days. If you want to use those as a benchmark, some people do not even see them. Second, his auctions are well organized and scheduled to end by sport, category, etc. Third, he does international shipping which opens up bidding to a much wider number of bidders. Fourth, he offers a payment plan for those that cannot pay in full. Fifth, no matter how well you are doing on ebay, some people will never trust random ebay sellers. Sixth, some people only buy via auctions because they believe it sets the fair market price. Seventh, his auctions are well written and usually have high quality scans.

One person states his listings are annual, one says every month, one says 11 months of the year. He does auctions 10 times a year and takes 2 months off.

In general, the card market is as healthy now as it has been in the past 5 years and even key rookie/star cards of those you might not consider vintage or rare have been going up. I would think this is a good thing for those who say they enjoy sports cards or like the hobby.

PWCC has built a nice business model and built up client relationships for years. He is well organized and knows the industry. Sorry if a nice post brings out jealousy. If you do not want to bid, do not bid. If you want to bid, bid. And if you want to bid, bid no more than you are willing to pay. It is that simple.

Finally, an unbiased third party weighs in. I mean....he only has one post.

Sarcasm brought to you by Trey Cumby

[jerrystar]

I'll get back to this forum and put my name after the All-Star Game. Not looking to argue this which is off topic, but here is the rule I read. We do not need to turn this debate into an anonymous or not anonymous. I just signed up and posted and that is how it came out and already getting jumped on to put my name as the rule requires. I never intended to violate any rule.

Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post. The moderator may put the posters name on the board or delete their posts, at his sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Heated debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public, on the board. Contact information will be given out for legal reasons or under extraordinary circumstances at the discretion of the moderator. We welcome new members very frequently, as long as they come with the forum purpose in mind, which is to; collect, buy, sell and trade vintage baseball cards, sports memorabilia and other sports cards, with people who share their same passion.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by jerrystar

I'll get back to this forum and put my name after the All-Star Game. Not looking to argue this which is off topic, but here is the rule I read. We do not need to turn this debate into an anonymous or not anonymous. I just signed up and posted and that is how it came out and already getting jumped on to put my name as the rule requires. I never intended to violate any rule.

Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post. The moderator may put the posters name on the board or delete their posts, at his sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Heated debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public, on the board. Contact information will be given out for legal reasons or under extraordinary circumstances at the discretion of the moderator. We welcome new members very frequently, as long as they come with the forum purpose in mind, which is to; collect, buy, sell and trade vintage baseball cards, sports memorabilia and other sports cards, with people who share their same passion.

Would have been quicker to type your name.... just sayin

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by chipperhank44

Would have been quicker to type your name.... just sayin

+1

[jerrystar]

I had to figure out how to adjust it. Like I said my first post. The point is you claim I did something wrong. All I did was go through the approval process and post. Then you say according to the rule......which I do not see. Obviously I commented on a company but I do not see that rule. I am willing to list my information anyway. By the way, rules should apply to everyone. I see people agreeing with comments with no name, then they are commenting. I also see others that comment without providing a name. Maybe you all know each other. New to forum. No agenda. Felt topic was important enough to comment on. I do not know the original person who wrote the post or what his history is. How many posts to ask me to put my name? If you agree with my comment or some of it, then fine. If not, okay.