PSA Grading at its best

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Fan

I just posted it on CU forum...

The thread lasted about 30 minutes on CU before they 'poofed' it. It looks like the original auction has been 'poofed' as well. Hopefully someone from PSA contacted Probstein and asked him to remove the listing so they could re-evaluate the card and assign it a proper grade.

Edited: It looks like eBay removed the listing. Had Probstein ended the auction early, it would still show as a completed listing. Since there is no record of it at all, that means eBay must have removed it.

[xplainer]

If I was a scammer, I would use PSA to grade and Probstein to sell them.
No doubt about it.

Push it through PSA, have Prob list it, and shill the crap out of it.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by xplainer

If I was a scammer, I would use PSA to grade and Probstein to sell them.
No doubt about it.

Push it through PSA, have Prob list it, and shill the crap out of it.

That's crazy talk right there......

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by xplainer

If I was a scammer, I would use PSA to grade and Probstein to sell them.
No doubt about it.

Push it through PSA, have Prob list it, and shill the crap out of it.

Jimmy- you're from my neck of the woods, but I think you are way off base here. I'm sure, however, Rick could care less about your comments. If you are down on PSA by the way, you might want to take a peak at the difference in resale value between them and SGC, especially high graded vintage cards....

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I'm sure, however, Rick could care less about your comments.

Truer words have never been spoken...

[CMIZ5290]

I have seen numerous threads about Rick Probstein, and, here we are again. News flash, if you don't trust the guy, don't bid on his auctions, period... What is so difficult about this?? If it was such a big red flag, why in the hell doesn't Ebay do anything about it? What does that say about them if there were issues??

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I have seen numerous threads about Rick Probstein, and, here we are again. News flash, if you don't trust the guy, don't bid on his auctions, period... What is so difficult about this?? If it was such a big red flag, why in the hell doesn't Ebay do anything about it? What does that say about them if there were issues??

Ebay does not do anything about it because Probstein makes them a lot of money. What does that say about ebay? It say's a lot. Not shocked that both Probstein and ebay are more concerned about making money than they are integrity.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by cardsfan73

Ebay does not do anything about it because Probstein makes them a lot of money. What does that say about ebay? It say's a lot. Not shocked that both Probstein and ebay are more concerned about making money than they are integrity.

I guess my question is, why do we keep feeding them money? Is there no legal recourse on the accusations against Ebay and Probstein?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jimmy- you're from my neck of the woods, but I think you are way off base here. I'm sure, however, Rick could care less about your comments. If you are down on PSA by the way, you might want to take a peak at the difference in resale value between them and SGC, especially high graded vintage cards....

+1

PSA is the best. SGC is also good but I hate their numerical grading system..a 70 is really a 5.5? Say what?!! Major mistake when they decided on that lame system.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

you might want to take a peak at the difference in resale value between them and SGC

The difference is resale values is because of FOOLS that bid on flips rather than cards. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

If you didn't see the card, you missed what I consider the most over graded card that I have ever seen. It was way OC and all 4 corners were soft - not touched, soft - and had a crease. It looked like a 4 OC, yet there were several bidders. Why would people bid on such an ugly card? It's simple and has nothing do with resale value. They were bidding on the flip, not the card.

You can sit there all you want and talk about resale value. Those FOOLS are not bidding on cards, they are bidding on flips.

EDIT: For clarification, I'm not calling people that bid on PSA cards FOOLS. I'm saying that when all things are equal (two nearly identical cards, same grade, different holders), the only reason that the PSA cards outsell SGC cards is because some FOOL is paying for a flip.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am guessing the Mantle was a clerical error. It happens.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The difference is resale values is because of FOOLS that bid on flips rather than cards. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

If you didn't see the card, you missed what I consider the most over graded card that I have ever seen. It was way OC and all 4 corners were soft - not touched, soft - and had a crease. It looked like a 4 OC, yet there were several bidders. Why would people bid on such an ugly card? It's simple and has nothing do with resale value. They were bidding on the flip, not the card.

You can sit there all you want and talk about resale value. Those FOOLS are not bidding on cards, they are bidding on flips.

EDIT: For clarification, I'm not calling people that bid on PSA cards FOOLS. I'm saying that when all things are equal (two nearly identical cards, same grade, different holders), the only reason that the PSA cards outsell SGC cards is because some FOOL is paying for a flip.

David- just for kicks, would you rather have an SGC 84 Cobb, or a PSA 7 Cobb when you are trying to raise big money?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

David- just for kicks, would you rather have an SGC 84 Cobb, or a PSA 7 Cobb when you are trying to raise big money?

Kevin, it wouldn't matter. I would hope to get out of the card close to what I paid for it. Sure, the PSA 7 Cobb would sell for more money. The part you're clearly overlooking is that it COST ME MORE MONEY when I initially purchased it. Likewise, if it were an SGC 84 Cobb, it would bring less money. Then again, it COST ME LESS MONEY when I initially purchased it. You're only looking at resale value. You're not considering the cost.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Kevin, it wouldn't matter. I would hope to get out of the card close to what I paid for it. Sure, the PSA 7 Cobb would sell for more money. The part you're clearly overlooking is that it COST ME MORE MONEY when I initially purchased it. Likewise, if it were an SGC 84 Cobb, it would bring less money. Then again, it COST ME LESS MONEY when I initially purchased it. You're only looking at resale value. You're not considering the cost.

I give up.....holy cow....

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The difference is resale values is because of FOOLS that bid on flips rather than cards. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

If you didn't see the card, you missed what I consider the most over graded card that I have ever seen. It was way OC and all 4 corners were soft - not touched, soft - and had a crease. It looked like a 4 OC, yet there were several bidders. Why would people bid on such an ugly card? It's simple and has nothing do with resale value. They were bidding on the flip, not the card.

You can sit there all you want and talk about resale value. Those FOOLS are not bidding on cards, they are bidding on flips.

EDIT: For clarification, I'm not calling people that bid on PSA cards FOOLS. I'm saying that when all things are equal (two nearly identical cards, same grade, different holders), the only reason that the PSA cards outsell SGC cards is because some FOOL is paying for a flip.

So money doesn't matter??