I'm probably just an idiot but... fakes

[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by glynparson

those really are not very good fakes though. you shuld go to a trusted seller like 707 or joe yanello and compare what they have for sale to the card you wish to buy. those super wide borders should have made you run instantly.

I had never bought a Bowman anything and i was careless. Lesson learned... this is lesson #2, one more and I got this!

Originally Posted by Leon

In my experience our big issues are also big learning experiences. Fortunately sometimes we can learn a lot from small issues too. If you are in this hobby long enough you will buy some bad cards. It happens. Hopefully it happens less the longer we collect. I have several personal examples in my office.

I think I'm going to keep Mike's '55 Bowman Kiner framed and close by as a reminder to check everything before bidding.

Hey Steve. If you put that Joe Wood up for sale on EBay there is a good chance I'll buy it.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Hey Steve. If you put that Joe Wood up for sale on EBay there is a good chance I'll buy it.

[WillowGrove]

Donnie great to see you were able to rise above the negative stuff in the hobby that eats away at the enjoyment of all of us.

Mike, great offer.

Good stuff.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

Hey Steve. If you put that Joe Wood up for sale on EBay there is a good chance I'll buy it.

How about if I print the scans and glue them to a bit of a cereal box? It'll come out just about the same.

Imaging technology has come a long way and makes unconvincing fakes pretty easy.

Back when the wood was done someone had to have an original, photograph it with a special camera, make a plate and print them on a press. -The back may be rubber stamped, but still required an original.

Today it's a matter of finding an image online with at least decent resolution and printing it on something close to the original cardboard. I bought a 33 Goudey Ruth and Gherig that were reprints, but looked pretty good. Both showed flaws, like bad centering and registration, and they looked about the right thickness. In hand they were obvious to me, but I haven't tried them on my non-collecting friends. I'll probably frame them with a reprinted photo at some point to make a nice display.

The tipoff on the 48 Bowmans was the border size. Real ones have narrower borders than the reprints.

One set to keep an eye out for is a set done for a show in the 70's that are the size and look of 48 Bowmans but include players that weren't in the set. (Maybe ones that were too? I'm not sure) They're nice fantasy pieces and aren't particularly common.

Steve B

[vthobby]

Thanks for all the kudos. My Kiner came in today and will hit the mail Thursday for Donnie. Here is what it looks like if anyone was interested. 100% real and USA made all the way!

Peace, Mike

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[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Thanks for all the kudos. My Kiner came in today and will hit the mail Thursday for Donnie. Here is what it looks like if anyone was interested. 100% real and USA made all the way!

Peace, Mike

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Thanks Again Mike!!! Above and beyond buddy! This one will definitely always mean a lot.