Help, please, with these 3 unknowns

[David Atkatz]

Nothing, I suppose. I didn't realize I was posting many times.

[tazdmb]

I think the second one is Jose Mesa.

[roarfrom34]

The last one is Miguel Tejada

[khkco4bls]

I hate to tell you with autographs like that there garbage I don't know why anyone would collect them.

[earlywynnfan]

Thanks, guys, Tejada and Mesa it is.

Kevin, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the thread.

Ken

[khkco4bls]

guys we go through this time and time again it gets old and tired looking at the garbage that is signed these days by the guys that don't care about penmanship. KEN sorry for hurting ur feelings.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

guys we go through this time and time again it gets old and tired looking at the garbage that is signed these days by the guys that don't care about penmanship. KEN sorry for hurting ur feelings.

It's a sign of the times, penmanship isn't what it used to be. Bread isn't a nickel a loaf anymore either. That doesn't mean people can't collect it or come here for help though, right?

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

I hate to tell you with autographs like that there garbage I don't know why anyone would collect them.

Now there's an intelligent and well thought out attack.

This thread started innocently as someone trying to figure out 3 signed baseballs.

Why the hell don't you guys (you know who you are) start a little "scribbles club" or a "little bitty scribbles thread" and just talk to yourselves for awhile.

Assist or shut the hell up.

Peace, Mike

[David Atkatz]

You've got it wrong, Mike. We guys (we know who we are) are the ones who would not be members of the "scribbles club."

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You've got it wrong, Mike. We guys (we know who we are) are the ones who would not be members of the "scribbles club."

We got it. You do not like scribbled autos. They are all scribbles when you get right down to it. Each is a unique piece of art. I understand you collect other forms of art than the thread involves but the point is....we don't care. So if you are so clear on not collecting these scribbles then why do you feel the urge or need to jump into a thread that is quite simply just asking for a little help.

It was a simple thread to ask for opinions about the players who signed those baseballs, not a forum to let others know that you are a "master collector" and that you can't figure out why people collect scribbles.....really?

Peace, Mike

[David Atkatz]

Really, Mike? I'm glad that others here don't hold your rather limited idea of what a free exchange of ideas should be. "Unique piece of art"? Please.

Collect all the scribbles you want, if that's what makes you happy. Just make sure you have them well-labelled, so that a year from now you'll still know what you have.

And, BTW, take a gander at the upper-left-hand corner of this web page. It says "Net54baseball.com Pre-WWII Baseball Card & Memorabilia Forums." Pre-WWII: When ballplayers didn't scribble.

[djson1]

Originally Posted by khkco4bls

I hate to tell you with autographs like that there garbage I don't know why anyone would collect them.

I don't think it's that collectors actually like the way players are scribbling their sigs...but what are we supposed to do if you want to collect their autographs? Players' signatures (and yes, a generalization fits here) seem to be getting worse and worse every year..but collectors like me still want to collect them. I do miss the era when you can actually identify the players' sigs. Maybe it's because our schools don't teach the art of handwriting anymore.

[chaddurbin]

i always chuckle when someone comes into a thread and states what a horrible chicken scratch of a scribble that sig is...thank you captain obvious we never noticed it before! it's an art form to be able to scribble the same way everytime, look at ichiro. newer guys like miguel sano changes their scribble every month.

i can tolerate the scribble...up to a point. look at these supposed hollywood ip graphs. now THESE guys dgaf.

[djson1]

Ha! OK...now, that Al Pacino/Scarface one.... now that one takes the cake! You can probably add Robin Williams to that celebrity list of great penmanship (may he RIP).

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by djson1

I don't think it's that collectors actually like the way players are scribbling their sigs...but what are we supposed to do if you want to collect their autographs? Players' signatures (and yes, a generalization fits here) seem to be getting worse and worse every year..but collectors like me still want to collect them. I do miss the era when you can actually identify the players' sigs. Maybe it's because our schools don't teach the art of handwriting anymore.

Maybe it's because the players don't give a shit. You can bet your ass they sign legibly on their multimillion dollar contracts.

[Mark17]

Ironic... One of the most desirable/valuable autographs is a scrawl that couldn't even be read by the player who drew it (Joe Jackson.)

I have a signature that is hard to read. One time I was cashing a check and the teller complained about my endorsement signature. He asked me to write it legibly. I told him sure, but then it wouldn't match my signature that's on file with the bank, or any of my other signatures. He didn't care - he just wanted to be able to read my name.

So I signed very slowly, carefully, and it's a signature that does not look anything like anything else I've ever signed.

Bottom line, if a player has a sloppy signature and you collect autographs, an authentic sig from the guy will be sloppy, and that's what you'd want & expect, isn't it? From Joe Jackson to Curt Schilling and everyone in between.

[vthobby]

How does the Jose Mesa look like a scribble? Seriously? That is one of his better examples and is downright smooth.

I've seen folks say Jeter's auto is a mess and all I see is a flowing piece of art every time I see a real Jeter. Cmon. Cool autos.

Peace, Mike

[egri]

The first one looks like the certified Curt Schilling I have at home.