Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Freaking laughable.

Someone (we know who) buys Halper letters and couples them with crap.

Scott Malack and Lee Trythall (Roach's Corner) have been selling forgeries for decades.

Roach's Corner has been selling dozens of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, etc. forgeries every single month for decades.

[RichardSimon]

To the OP - curiosity compels me to ask if you would reveal the identity of the seller of those two baseballs.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

To the OP - curiosity compels me to ask if you would reveal the identity of the seller of those two baseballs.

I want the OP to direct the seller of that crap to this thread.

[Runscott]

I think this is a test.

Will it fly?

[VAYankee]

Seller is Joe DiMaggio Estate, www.memorabiliacenter.com, although they have stated the following, "...Another great signed bb at a great price being sold thru us on consignment, that once was in the Barry Halper collection." The consignment is on behalf of a former customer. Both balls are from the same person. I don't know who is behind the curtain per se, although perhaps others on this forum might know.

[gregr2]

I don't see those balls listed on that site, am I missing something?

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Seller is Joe DiMaggio Estate, www.memorabiliacenter.com, although they have stated the following, "...Another great signed bb at a great price being sold thru us on consignment, that once was in the Barry Halper collection." The consignment is on behalf of a former customer. Both balls are from the same person. I don't know who is behind the curtain per se, although perhaps others on this forum might know.

According to your site reference, R&R Enterprises is the seller of these balls (that aren't even on the site)....

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

According to your site reference, R&R Enterprises is the seller of these balls (that aren't even on the site)....

In a thousand years, RR would never be selling those baseballs.
Do not confuse R&R from NC with RR from NH.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

In a thousand years, RR would never be selling those baseballs.
Do not confuse R&R from NC with RR from NH.

Hey Richard,
I know the confusion and the maliciousness behind them registering that way, but that's why I included the name, address (North Carolina), and the email address that appears on that site.

[RichardSimon]

Just take a look at the Mantle and Dimaggio 4x6 photos on that website.

[VAYankee]

They were offered to me (and others) via email. Yes, they are not in the site. I never said they were on the site. I honestly don't know why you're attacking me in this. I'm merely trying to figure out whether these balls are legit or not, clearly they are not, and in the process better educate myself on what I should look out for when buying something like a Ruth or Gehrig ball.

[VAYankee]

Thank you for the replies, much appreciated. Just curious, so I don't always have to post when I have something presented to me, what here jumps out to you that this is fake? Has anyone here seen this ball before? Seen a similar COA/LOA from Halper? Is the COA/LOA a copy of a legit one or a complete fabrication? Parker mentioned the auction house itself is ripe with forgeries, however had Sophieb not referenced the auction listing for the Gehrig ball (Ruth ball was not listed), would it have been as clear cut? Not questioning the replies, just want to understand further what to look out for....thanks!

[jgmp123]

I'm sorry but I believe your story is a load of crap. It's a little too ironic that you were "offered" two autographs that appear on a regular basis on the Coaches Corner website and chose to come here (seeing you just joined this month) to ask an opinion.

They are fake and if you were trying to get someone to give you an approval, then purchase the ball there and try to resale here or somewhere else, then you shouldn't bother sticking around.
Sorry, but your story and the irony is just too fishy for me.
Best of luck on eBay.

[VAYankee]

James, sorry you feel that way. The Ruth ball was not posted on Coaches Corner website, and I didn't know the Gehrig one was until Sophieb pointed that out. I realize you don't know me, but I don't buy/sell my collectibles. I buy and hold them. I joined this site for two reasons: one, because I had suspicions about the cert provided, which you'll note in my original post (I wasn't sure whether the autos were legit or not); two, because in doing my research, this site was pointed out as a resource.

[sycks22]

It's pretty amazing that they used the same pen and has the same amount of fading being that they're signed 9 years apart.

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by sycks22

It's pretty amazing that they used the same pen and has the same amount of fading being that they're signed 9 years apart.

And that he . . uh . . . "they" . . . formed the 7s and 8s the same way!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

I'm sorry but I believe your story is a load of crap. It's a little too ironic that you were "offered" two autographs that appear on a regular basis on the Coaches Corner website and chose to come here (seeing you just joined this month) to ask an opinion.

They are fake and if you were trying to get someone to give you an approval, then purchase the ball there and try to resale here or somewhere else, then you shouldn't bother sticking around.
Sorry, but your story and the irony is just too fishy for me.
Best of luck on eBay.

James, you might have a point here.

Something smells.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

James, you might have a point here.

Something smells.

Shame on you guys for saying anything that might chase off a new poster who is just here to learn.

(I threw up in my mouth saying that.)

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by runscott

shame on you guys for saying anything that might chase off a new poster who is just here to learn.

(i threw up in my mouth saying that.)

tmi

[VAYankee]

Well, I already addressed this issue earlier, so I'm not sure what else to say to "prove" that I'm not just fishing. I can address a few more recent comments,
1. I did not know about the balls being on Coaches Corner
2. I did not know of Coaches Corner before I started this thread
3. I did some of my own research, albeit crude perhaps in the eyes of the more experienced members here on Net54 - again, noting in my original post I said I thought the Halper LOA was a fake.
4. For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind a Walter Johnson or Ty Cobb ball either, just not my first choice. I grew up in Jersey as a fan of the Yankees and Ruth and Gehrig were always the "ones to get" at some point. I clearly understand they are not necessarily the most valuable all things considered.
5. I generally don't mind those questioning my intentions, frankly, I can respect that. That's the trait, which has made this forum as successful as it's been. However, I'm not sure what else I can say to "prove" myself to you all. I've provided quite a bit of info for someone that was just "fishing".
6. I've stuck with this thread all the way through. Had I been fishing, I suppose I would have left a long time ago.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Thank you for the replies, much appreciated. Just curious, so I don't always have to post when I have something presented to me, what here jumps out to you that this is fake? Has anyone here seen this ball before? Seen a similar COA/LOA from Halper? Is the COA/LOA a copy of a legit one or a complete fabrication? Parker mentioned the auction house itself is ripe with forgeries, however had Sophieb not referenced the auction listing for the Gehrig ball (Ruth ball was not listed), would it have been as clear cut? Not questioning the replies, just want to understand further what to look out for....thanks!

In my opinion those Halper certs are a complete fabrication.
I have never seen them before.
And even if they were copies of legit certs,,, well we know about Halper items, don't we?