The mysterious T205 cards with GREEN borders....show or tell us of your green T205's

[tedzan]

Joshua

Are you confirming my anecdotal observation that all these greenies were printed with red SWEET CAP backs ?

Or, can we also find them with other T205 backs ? ?


TED Z
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[asoriano]

I believe these 'green borders' were actually gold borders that simply discolored over time. Thoughts?

Edit: Here are two examples of the yellow and white borders that Josh mentioned.

[tedzan]

Yes, I've seen that effect on some of my T205's.

If the greenies are the result of the gold borders gradually disintegrating (or discoloring), I would expect to see partially gold and green bordered cards.

Has anyone seen any such T205's ?


TED Z
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[Jobu]

Any chance that this is the result of over-soaking?

[T205 GB]

I have a few and I know several are not SC. I really don't even know where to begin. I posted a thread a while back(may have deleted it also) on this as well as numerous discussions with fellow hobby guys. There are some cards that may have received a light pass an there are some that are completely void of gold all together. There are also some that have faded or worn over time. NO connections or theory really can stick to just a flaw in the printing system. Let's not "T206" this oddity.

[Econteachert205]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I have a few and I know several are not SC. I really don't even know where to begin. I posted a thread a while back(may have deleted it also) on this as well as numerous discussions with fellow hobby guys. There are some cards that may have received a light pass an there are some that are completely void of gold all together. There are also some that have faded or worn over time. NO connections or theory really can stick to just a flaw in the printing system. Let's not "T206" this oddity.

Haha, i laughed at the "not t206 this comment". I agree. I like the "light pass" idea. Also maybe possible that the metallic flake used changed consistency at some point with a slightly different alloy. I love t205s, but I couldn't picture myself paying a premium for a green border, in fact I love the really bright gold ones myself.

[Wite3]

I certainly do not put a premium on these...in fact, most are in such awful shape they can be had cheaply. That being said, I still do not think it is a faded or flaked gold border...here is the Pelty enlarged and you can see the green ink pass where there should be gold over the base paths. What looks like faded gold along the borders is actually the cardboard peeking through the faded and chipped green coloring.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by tedzan

yes, i've seen that effect on some of my t205's.

If the greenies are the result of the gold borders gradually disintegrating (or discoloring), i would expect to see partially gold and green bordered cards.

Has anyone seen any such t205's ?


ted z
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t205 half green.jpg

[Wite3]

I have done little research into the green borders because I always just thought they were a printing anomaly. The few I own are in my safety deposit box currently but know that the Tinker is a Sweet Cap Red 42 (listed on my inventory sheet b/c of HOF status). Give me a few days and I might be able to get over there and check the other backs.

Handling these cards as much as I do, I do not think it is a discoloration or "rusting" of the gold (real gold does not rust or tarnish although no one really knows what printed metal composite was used). I think it was actually printed with green borders.

And another card showing an incomplete gold application. On this one, you can actually see the white and yellow underneath. This is NOT my card.



Joshua

[jdeptula]

Here's a Dooin that I have with Piedmont Factory 25 back. Border looks green to me, but I still see some traces of gold.

Joe

[Econteachert205]

There was a previous thread about faking t205s where I was corrected by Drcy that the gold borders weren't gold but copper, and that the green color on some was a result of deterioration in the copper which makes sense. However if the green 05s don't seem to have metal applied and only occur in one kind of back, that could definitely mean something else. I have shown my 05s without gold on other threads, they are white and yellow underneath.

[Wite3]

Okay...was able to get my hands on a few of my greenies...there is no back pattern, I was completely wrong on that one...but I am starting to see a different pattern. All my green cards (including my Tinker) are green or teal (greenish blue) backgrounds. Below is a scan of five of my green borders and their backs with a gold border companion for comparison. My scanner is not great but you should be able to tell the difference (esp. on the Pelty and Scott) as they are very green in person and do not have the reflection or shine of the normal gold. Also, note that the gold basepaths are green on the AL cards as well. Note the Pelty, especially as you can see the printed green bleed into the white at the basepaths. Also I choose the Dooin and the Kroh because you can see the yellow of the border underneath the green border. I think they were actually printed green for some reason. Maybe test runs? Maybe cost saving at the end of the runs? who knows....

Joshua

[tedzan]

Here's a large lot of these featured in Rob's auction several years ago. I thought you guys would like to check it out...... 58 green border T205's


I'll offer this observation for what it's worth. There appears to be quite a number of Minor Leaguer's with green borders. And, in another T205 thread
we arrived at the conclusion that the 12 subjects in the Minor League series were printed very late in 1911.

So what I'm alluding to here is that all these T205's with green borders are possibly the result of American Litho. running out of gold ink in their final
press run(s)......thereby using green ink for the borders (instead of gold).

Just another wild Ted Z theory, so please be kind.


TED Z
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[Econteachert205]

As previously stated it seems most green borders tend to be in lower than normal condition. Curious as to why if they were just the result on an end of production run.

[EvilKing00]

The card i posted before, i just bought, its a polar bear back and its only 1/2 green, not even either, very odd

[asoriano]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here's a large lot of these featured in Rob's auction several years ago. I thought you guys would like to check it out...... 58 green border T205's


I'll offer this observation for what it's worth. There appears to be quite a number of Minor Leaguer's with green borders. And, in another T205 thread
we arrived at the conclusion that the 12 subjects in the Minor League series were printed very late in 1911.

So what I'm alluding to here is that all these T205's with green borders are possibly the result of American Litho. running out of gold ink in their final
press run(s)......thereby using green ink for the borders (instead of gold).

Just another wild Ted Z theory, so please be kind.


TED Z
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Ted -

Would there be a possibility that the Minor Leaguers were actually printed in early 1912?

[tedzan]

Based on the bios of most of the 12 subjects in the Minor League series, we know that they had to have been printed very late in 1911......or, in early 1912 as you are suggesting.

There were a good number of gold-bordered (non-sports) sets issued in 1911. So, it isn't far-fetched to think that some of the T205 production was actually carried over into 1912.


TED Z
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