What do you photo guys make of this?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Michael B

I am sure Josh will answer this, but I wanted to chime in. His sister, who is very nice, was/is selling for Josh on ebay under the listing name tique I believe. Josh may have fired the first shot across the bow, but it was directed at the Net54 members only. He did not try to indict family members.

I wasn't trying to indict his family member, the criticism wasn't against her. I just thought it was unusual that he would bash Rogers if his sister worked for him. Of course, I could be wrong about his sister's job.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I wasn't trying to indict his family member, the criticism wasn't against her. I just thought it was unusual that he would bash Rogers if his sister worked for him. Of course, I could be wrong about his sister's job.

Not a problem. I understand your point. I just checked and if you do an advanced search for seller tiqu you will find several hundred listings and at the bottom it specifically says "Lelands......"

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Not a problem. I understand your point. I just checked and if you do an advanced search for seller tiqu you will find several hundred listings and at the bottom it specifically says "Lelands......"

Well, then that's good to know.

[joshleland]

Jeff:
Yes, you are 100% correct that my sister used to take photos on consignment from John Rogers. Not sports stuff so many here would not notice or care. However there is no john Rogers anymore at least on a day to day basis in the Arkansas operation. Actually she is now selling for the creditors who have been bilked by Rogers. She has her eyes wide open with regards to the collection and is one of the most knowledgable wire photo people in the business. I know because I taught her. As for other "photo guys" on here I am just surprised that no one called this out as a Rogers fake. It's simply obvious. By the way, do you know how long it took me to go through a million photos one at a time. Doing it about 6-8 hours a day it took me about five years.

[joshleland]

Oh yes and tiqu. That is not my sister. It is my 80 year old mother who sells photos for me on eBay. She loves doing it and feel free to contact her as she loves hearing from hobbyists. But be nice Jeff, thats my mom.

[calvindog]

As long as your sister isn't presently selling photos for John Rogers -- and she was selling photos for him while he was committing daily fraud -- I'll be nice.

[thecatspajamas]

A quick note to correct some misinformation I gave above:
William Robert Kuenzel (the younger Kuenzel) worked for the Detroit Free Press, not the Detroit News. Same city, different paper. My bad (and my bad memory).

The stamp on my photo is still black, but may well be an anomaly/outlier. I don't own any others to compare it to that I can be certain are "untainted."

This an unfortunate aspect of all this that I think is being glossed over. What does a new collector who has not had opportunity or a lifetime of collecting to handle much vintage photography do to gain experience or conduct their own research when so much of the available material has passed through hands that couldn't leave them as-found? How can they be sure of the accuracy of any conclusions that they draw, unless they know the provenance of the photos they are handling? I suppose it's still possible to develop one's "Spidey Sense" by beginning with low-end material and lesser-known or non-sports subjects, but with each revelation of fraud, it just seems like it's going to be that much harder for the new collectors coming on to graduate to making expensive purchases with any sort of confidence. I suppose it was inevitable that such fraud would strike photo collecting, as it seems to have done with virtually every other area of collecting, but the fact that it's hitting this early, when the collecting ranks are still on the upswing, just makes me a bit sad I guess.

Well, enough lamentations, now back to our regularly-scheduled infighting...

[D. Bergin]

Quick question here:

Was Rodgers actually replicating/forging stamps, or was he simply passing on later generation press photos as 1st generation originals?

I always got the sense he was a guy who was determined to corner the photo market, but didn't have much of a clue to what he was actually selling.........or if he did, he was real good at finding other whales who didn't know what a restrike was, and passing them off to them as originals, hoping they would get buried in collections.

[ramram]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

A quick note to correct some misinformation I gave above:
William Robert Kuenzel (the younger Kuenzel) worked for the Detroit Free Press, not the Detroit News. Same city, different paper. My bad (and my bad memory).

The stamp on my photo is still black, but may well be an anomaly/outlier. I don't own any others to compare it to that I can be certain are "untainted."

This an unfortunate aspect of all this that I think is being glossed over. What does a new collector who has not had opportunity or a lifetime of collecting to handle much vintage photography do to gain experience or conduct their own research when so much of the available material has passed through hands that couldn't leave them as-found? How can they be sure of the accuracy of any conclusions that they draw, unless they know the provenance of the photos they are handling? I suppose it's still possible to develop one's "Spidey Sense" by beginning with low-end material and lesser-known or non-sports subjects, but with each revelation of fraud, it just seems like it's going to be that much harder for the new collectors coming on to graduate to making expensive purchases with any sort of confidence. I suppose it was inevitable that such fraud would strike photo collecting, as it seems to have done with virtually every other area of collecting, but the fact that it's hitting this early, when the collecting ranks are still on the upswing, just makes me a bit sad I guess.

Well, enough lamentations, now back to our regularly-scheduled infighting...

Lance - how dare you break into this soap opera full of cat fighting and bluffery (sic) just to talk about a subject pertinent to the topic!