SGC you need new holders.

[CW]

Thanks, Eric. I just copied your email and inserted my name at the end and sent it off to SGC. Hopefully someone listens and does something about it, because I'm tired of bitching.

[pclpads]

I know this board tends to go ballistic whenever anything positive is said about PSA. But for the reasons mentioned by the OP and the fact that clearly o/c cards don't seem to faze SGC for slabbing them in higher grades is why I never sub to them. And no, I am not a PSA shareholder and JO is not a relative.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by pclpads

I know this board tends to go ballistic whenever anything positive is said about PSA. But for the reasons mentioned by the OP and the fact that clearly o/c cards don't seem to faze SGC for slabbing them in higher grades is why I never sub to them. And no, I am not a PSA shareholder and JO is not a relative.

Lol, people love their grading companies!

I don't necessarily prefer one over the other as I collect any card in any of the three main TPG's that passes the eye test. Bob has a great point about the SGC holders...they are really starting to suck and get on a lot of people's nerves. Where's the quality control at? We pay for a service and we should get quality in return, not this shaky holder that for some reason failed to evolve with time.

One thing that I believe SGC has over PSA and BVG is that I feel I can trust, for the most part, things like paper loss being somewhere on the card when it's not supposed to be there. When I buy a VG graded card, paper loss should not be anywhere, but I've noticed it a lot more on PSA graded cards than SGC. Sometimes I feel like I get on seller's nerves because I always ask them a lot of questions about the condition, but because of these inconsistencies I feel like I have to ask to save me some issues down the road.

Anyway...SGC...get your crap together if you want to continue being a top notch grading company. Don't let something this small sink your ship!

[brewing]

Why fix the gasket issue and not address the tamper issue? PSA came out with more secure holders and now SGC leads the industry in easiest to tamper holders.

I've been an SGC fan for a long time, but my last 3 subs went to PSA.

[t206hound]

I believe this was the latest response from SGC on the gaskets... from the thread "Is this typical for SGC holders?"

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...9&postcount=57

[The Nasty Nati]

Well I'm glad they are at least admitting their fault: http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...9&postcount=57

I still think they need to reconsider the gaskets all together. All of the other TPG's never have a problem with T206's shifting in their gaskets no matter the size of the T206. Perhaps a sturdier gasket insert like black plastic will fortify the T206's better. Tobacco cards I believe are SGC's bread and butter and yet they are historically bad at having those specific types of cards properly fit their gaskets. When you are paying $10+ on a grade and case, you'd expect better.

Still, I'm more than thrilled that they listened to whiners like myself and switched the SGC label back to the old green label style.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I believe this was the latest response from SGC on the gaskets... from the thread "Is this typical for SGC holders?"

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...9&postcount=57

Yes thier response was not adequate in my opinion and how convenient to mail back a card to be reholdered. I sent a note to them this morning also, really a version of Eric's letter and am waiting for a response. Will let you know what they say.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by pclpads

I know this board tends to go ballistic whenever anything positive is said about PSA. But for the reasons mentioned by the OP and the fact that clearly o/c cards don't seem to faze SGC for slabbing them in higher grades is why I never sub to them. And no, I am not a PSA shareholder and JO is not a relative.

Don't forget that PSA has its own holder issues which are similar to SGC's such as the cases where the card "floats" in the holder. This occurs where the PSA insert doesn't fit the card size very well, so the card floats inside the holder. Can't find the thread, but I remember there was an example in an auction where there was a high grade PSA card was floating diagonally inside the holder. In terms of pure card protection, Beckett is probably still the best as the insert typically always matches the card, and the holder is a brick so it's practically tamper proof.

[iwantitiwinit]

Received an email back from Dave Forman at SGC earlier today. I'm not going to post it here but he is aware of the problem and working to resolve it. If he gives me anymore specifics I will let you know.

[sb1]

I cracked one of the new label oversize holders today and it had not one but two gaskets, so apparently they have begun to use that strategy to keep cards from sliding over or under the gaskets, especially while being tossed around in transit.

[smtjoy]

Glad SGC is working on this. I just got a sub back and they are using a plastic gasket on this M101-6 I sent in, not crazy about the glare but protecting the card is whats most important to me so happy they are trying-

[sb1]

Also had one of those last week.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by sb1

I cracked one of the new label oversize holders today and it had not one but two gaskets, so apparently they have begun to use that strategy to keep cards from sliding over or under the gaskets, especially while being tossed around in transit.

Putting an extra gasket in sounds like a band-aid, not a fix. Can't imagine it looks too good either.

[sb1]

Actually I had no idea there were two until I opened it. Could not tell from the outside.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by the-illini

Putting an extra gasket in sounds like a band-aid, not a fix. Can't imagine it looks too good either.

I wonder if any cards could slip between the gaskets?

[JasonD08]

I had mostly used sgc in the past. Until they change their holders I am done (and ugly new labels). The black is nice, but gaskets are not great. My last several dozen subs have went to PSA including pre war which I rather go to SGC. Perhaps the budget is not there anymore to make a major needed fix.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

I had mostly used sgc in the past. Until they change their holders I am done (and ugly new labels). The black is nice, but gaskets are not great. My last several dozen subs have went to PSA including pre war which I rather go to SGC. Perhaps the budget is not there anymore to make a major needed fix.

Same here Jason. I prefer the look of SGC holders but I have had too many cards slide around and get damaged. PSA will get my business from now on.

I also dont see how adding a second gasket secures the card any better than a single gasket does.