Who looks at Hauls Of Shame website

[Fred]

Yes, I can understand the statutes vary by state but I was wondering about the ownership of the cards. Even if the perpetrator can't be prosecuted, doesn't the material still belong to the rightful owner? And if the material surfaces somewhere, can the rightful owner sue to regain possesion?

Also, if what is posted on the website isn't true, can the author be sued for libel? If that's the case then why hasn't he been sued?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Fred

Yes, I can understand the statutes vary by state but I was wondering about the ownership of the cards. Even if the perpetrator can't be prosecuted, doesn't the material still belong to the rightful owner? And if the material surfaces somewhere, can the rightful owner sue to regain possesion?

Also, if what is posted on the website isn't true, can the author be sued for libel? If that's the case then why hasn't he been sued?

I'm not sure I know anyone in this hobby who has been sued more than Peter Nash. And what are you going to do if you win? I think REA has his wallet tied up for the next 100 years.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm not sure I know anyone in this hobby who has been sued more than Peter Nash. And what are you going to do if you win? I think REA has his wallet tied up for the next 100 years.

Sometimes potential plaintiffs feel that they'll never be able to collect on a libel judgment so they don't bother to sue; other times, when someone is accused of being a massive shill bidder in auctions he'll just fake outrage and do nothing -- because truth is a defense to a charge of libel. You know, like last night.

[GaryPassamonte]

Nice read on Mort Rogers scorecards today.

[Econteachert205]

i read it. it would be cool to have that much free time to research all that stuff. With Nash I guess you just have to take the bad with the good and read it knowing his bias/ penchant for personal conflicts.

[BeanTown]

Bottomline for me is I really enjoy reading Hauls of shame regardless of who owns the site or who the writers are. I can make my own conclusions on what to believe and what not to believe.

Seems like many articles have named Rob Lifston in them and they have backed up many articles with facts. Now, im sure Rob is different now then when he was a teenager growing up, but Im surprised, that he has been to build his auction company with his past involvement and actions from the 70s and 80s.

Maybe it takes a former bully to standup to current bullies. Seems there are many opinions out there and the agressive personality types who like to sling mud, posture, and intimidate others.

A smart person once told me that "you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, the rest is gossip". Those are good words for many people to abideby including myself. I will continue to enjoy reading articles on the Hauls of Shame just as much as enoying the fruits of collecting baseball items and learning on the great network54 social club or should I say public forum.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Bottomline for me is I really enjoy reading Hauls of shame regardless of who owns the site or who the writers are. I can make my own conclusions on what to believe and what not to believe.

Seems like many articles have named Rob Lifston in them and they have backed up many articles with facts. Now, im sure Rob is different now then when he was a teenager growing up, but Im surprised, that he has been to build his auction company with his past involvement and actions from the 70s and 80s.

Maybe it takes a former bully to standup to current bullies. Seems there are many opinions out there and the agressive personality types who like to sling mud, posture, and intimidate others.

A smart person once told me that "you are either part of the problem or part of the solution, the rest is gossip". Those are good words for many people to abideby including myself. I will continue to enjoy reading articles on the Hauls of Shame just as much as enoying the fruits of collecting baseball items and learning on the great network54 social club or should I say public forum.

No offense, but I don't think you are reading the posts here about Nash. Nash is STILL part of the problem, and he is adding to his list every time he plagiarizes something that we come up with, and every day he doesn't pay those he owes.

Quit kissing his ass.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Maybe it takes a former bully to standup to current bullies. Seems there are many opinions out there and the agressive personality types who like to sling mud, posture, and intimidate others.

From Doug Allen's indictment:

DOUG ALLEN,
defendant herein, for the purpose of executing the aforesaid scheme, did knowingly cause to be transmitted by means of wire communication in interstate commerce certain wirings, signs, signals, and sounds, namely, an electronic mail message from the Northern District of Illinois to an electronic mail server located in Georgia, said message from DOUG ALLEN to the consignor stating, “I will hit it one more time and let it go . . . cool”;
In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1343 and 2.


DOUG ALLEN,
defendant herein, for the purpose of executing the aforesaid scheme, did knowingly cause to be placed in an authorized depository for mail matter, to be sent and delivered by the Postal Service, an envelope addressed to Individual C, at an address in Canton, Georgia, containing an invoice reflecting the sale of a 1887 N175 Large Gypsy Queen King Kelly baseball card;
In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1341 and 2.


Sorry that I'm intimidating a shill bidder.