This Cum Posey appears to be a laser copy to me

[Klrdds]

Not sure if this makes a difference, but I notice that on the Clean Sweep item the signature line is a series of black dots , and on the diplomas that I could find ( all on Hunt Auctions website ) all the signature lines were a solid black line. If this were a laser copy of a diploma wouldn't the signature line on the Clean Sweep item be an exact copy of the diploma's solid signature line, not a series of dots?

[RichardSimon]

If the item has been sandpapered wouldn't the COA state that?
When they find traced signatures or signs of removal on a signed baseball that is always stated in the COA.
Anybody know Clean Sweep well enough to ask for a copy of the COA?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If the item has been sandpapered wouldn't the COA state that?
When they find traced signatures or signs of removal on a signed baseball that is always stated in the COA.
Anybody know Clean Sweep well enough to ask for a copy of the COA?

I think this is a very valid question. If my thought about the other ink being erased around the sig, it should be able to be identified when you examine it in hand and should be noted.

[prewarsports]

It almost looks like the top of "P" got hit with a bit of the sandpaper as well and possibly touched up too. At the very least there is some wear around that letter as it appears to have extended VERY close to the line on top that was removed.

[RichardSimon]

All we need is the cert. to put this issue to bed.
If it is noted in the cert. then I believe that there is no concern.
If it is not noted in the cert. well then,,,,, ????????
I wrote to Clean Sweep.
I know Verkman and believe he is a good guy, I feel he will answer me promptly.

[daves_resale_shop]

Is it best practice for an authenticators to put every item under a blacklight? I guess it would make sense if there were evidence of tracing, ink added or even very light autos... But on the other hand, I could see this slowing down a process...

Kind of ot: but is there a best practice, or statement if work that tpa's typically try to follow?


Going along with Rhys' theory, my gut says this one has had ink removed for aesthetic purposes...but who knows until you touch it?

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If the item has been sandpapered wouldn't the COA state that?
When they find traced signatures or signs of removal on a signed baseball that is always stated in the COA.
Anybody know Clean Sweep well enough to ask for a copy of the COA?

[SteveVerkman]

Hi Guys,

Please note this has been looked at by both JSA and PSA. Upon examining this closely with a 10 power loupe, the autograph is not a laser copy, it is signed in fountain pen. The LOA is a JSA auction LOA so it duplicates the description.

As for the other issues, there is some very fine scraping above the signature including a fine line so something may have been erased for aesthetic purposes but we are honestly not completely sure and we do not want to remove this from the slab. We will update the description to reflect this.

Thanks much - Steve Verkman cleansweepauctions.com

[tazdmb]

Steve, I want to personally thank you for addressing this issue and not "sweeping it under the rug", as I know many other auction houses would have done.

[daves_resale_shop]

+1 solid response

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Steve, I want to personally thank you for addressing this issue and not "sweeping it under the rug", as I know many other auction houses would have done.

[mighty bombjack]

Yes, thank you for posting Steve.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop

Is it best practice for an authenticators to put every item under a blacklight? I guess it would make sense if there were evidence of tracing, ink added or even very light autos... But on the other hand, I could see this slowing down a process...

Kind of ot: but is there a best practice, or statement if work that tpa's typically try to follow?


Going along with Rhys' theory, my gut says this one has had ink removed for aesthetic purposes...but who knows until you touch it?

I always use a blacklight when examining a signed baseball. If a paper item, for whatever reason, arouses my suspicions then I blacklight that too.

[Klrdds]

Good job addressing this issue straight up Steve. I always enjoy your auctions.

[prewarsports]

Agreed, thanks Steve.

Autograph guys are quirky (aren't all collectors). I know guys who ONLY collect 3X5 cards or ONLY collect items of a particular size so my feeling is that this was done for a particular collectors taste's and is now being passed on with no malicious intent.

[mschwade]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Agreed, thanks Steve.

Autograph guys are quirky (aren't all collectors). I know guys who ONLY collect 3X5 cards or ONLY collect items of a particular size so my feeling is that this was done for a particular collectors taste's and is now being passed on with no malicious intent.

You calling me quirky Rhys?!

BTW, not sure why nobody replied to this, but I wanted to say terrific observation from Klrdds on the dotted/solid line between the autograph and the diploma.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Agreed, thanks Steve.

Autograph guys are quirky (aren't all collectors). I know guys who ONLY collect 3X5 cards or ONLY collect items of a particular size so my feeling is that this was done for a particular collectors taste's and is now being passed on with no malicious intent.

I had a customer who turned down a beautiful Babe Ruth on a GPC because it was signed Sincerely. He only collected signatures on 3x5 or GPC and only if it contained a signature only.