Can't fight City Hall- eBay protecting their large sellers (probstein content)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This thread really should have been done after the 1st post or two...if you bid on Probsteins auctions you have noone to blame but yourself if u are shilled.

Agreed. I'm done with this thread. If people want to defend Probstein and continue to buy from him, then they get what they deserve.

[ejharrington]

Shilling is so hard to police / prove / stop you might as well legalize it. Kinda like steroids in baseball. People should set a price they wish to pay and stick to it. If you can't do that, then expect to be shilled.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Agreed. I'm done with this thread. If people want to defend Probstein and continue to buy from him, then they get what they deserve.

Cardboard with pictures of athletes?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Cardboard with pictures of athletes?

Not just pictures of athletes. In most of our cases they are pictures of much younger athletic men in uniforms. Does that make us all gay perverts?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Agreed. I'm done with this thread. If people want to defend Probstein and continue to buy from him, then they get what they deserve.

You're right, David...i will get what we deserve...cardboard that I want to purchase and most of the time, under what my max bid is


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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

You're right, David...i will get what we deserve...cardboard that I want to purchase and most of the time, under what my max bid is


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It's not about you getting what YOU deserve - it's about the seller and his consignors getting what they do NOT deserve. It's about a playing field that is not level.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It's not about you getting what YOU deserve - it's about the seller and his consignors getting what they do NOT deserve. It's about a playing field that is not level.

I agree Scott...it's bullshit. But cornering people because they purchase stuff from probstein is out of line. IMO if anyone shops eBay, they are in the same boat as me


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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

IMO if anyone shops eBay, they are in the same boat as me


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It's certainly possible, especially if you buy from any ebay seller who accepts consignments, but the odds are lower if you avoid the crooks. That's all the anti-shillers are saying. On the other hand, the apologists are saying that because other sellers 'might' be dishonest, it's okay to shop with the ones you are sure are.

It's also curious that some of the apologists say that the sellers can't police their own auctions, when we've already given plenty of examples of how to do so - running an honest company is part of doing business, and if you can't afford to do so you need to get into another line of work. Sometimes a business is profitable ONLY because it is not playing by the rules. In addition, plenty of business owners have been accused of dishonest business practice and claimed they had no way of knowing what was going on. Courts don't normally buy that.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I agree Scott...it's bullshit. But cornering people because they purchase stuff from probstein is out of line. IMO if anyone shops eBay, they are in the same boat as me


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I disagree. I might be getting shilled with the sellers I buy from, but I don't think so. You are doing business with someone you KNOW shills.

[CMIZ5290]

Guys...I am going to first say that I have bought many cards from Probstein, many of which I was very satisified with the final bid, and some cards after all of the original Probstein shilling accusations. This is what I don't understand...With the obvious proof and legal consequences, why in the hell doesn't Ebay do a damn thing about it? Yes, they love the money they get from Rick, but if these things are rock solid proven, it seems like they would worry just a tad with legal situations....Just my thoughts

[buymycards]

How about doing these two things with Probsteins auctions?

1. If you are bidding on an item and it looks like it is being shilled, don't make any additional bids, and retract your current bids. This will leave the consignor holding the bag and buying his own auctions.

2. If you win one of his items and it looks like you have been shilled, don't pay for the item. It won't hurt your ebay standing at all, since eBay seems to allow dozens of npb strikes before it affects your account. When Rick contacts you about the non-payment you can respond that you have been shilled. This will be a pain in the ass for him if enough people don't pay and maybe it will force him to take action.

Rick

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I disagree. I might be getting shilled with the sellers I buy from, but I don't think so. You are doing business with someone you KNOW shills.

But my point is if eBay knows that probstein shills and does nothing about it, isn't eBay just as crooked? And if you turn a blind eye away from probstein, but not eBay....you're still supporting a crooked business...right?


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