1958 Topps Hank Aaron - BLUE background??

[Hammerin'Hank]

Originally Posted by bnorth

WOW just F'n wow. Those cards did not leave the factory blue, no way no how. The Beckett one is an obvious altered card.

As someone who mainly collects error cards I can say from experience that over 95% of so called missing color cards are altered. In hand most are very easy to spot if you know what to look for.

I picked up a beat to heck 58 Aaron from a fellow board member to show what to look for in this card when someone turns it blue. I have been to busy(lazy) to get it done but looks like I need to so fellow board members are not scammed anymore.

Here is a picture of another 58 Topps to show a before and after removing the yellow. On the 58 cards the yellow is very easy to remove and the other 3 colors are very hard to remove making them look real easier than most other cards. I also removed the yellow from the other card and as you can see it left a slightly more noticeable alteration.

$1,000,000 question.............How is the yellow so easily removed without damaging the card ?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Hammerin'Hank

$1,000,000 question.............How is the yellow so easily removed without damaging the card ?

Actually it appears to be a $3,585.00 question. One that many will figure out soon enough now that they know it can be done and they can get paid for doing it.

[ALR-bishop]

Russ---just long exposure to light, intentional or not, can make the green fade to blue. You can see that result in various stages. In a card in a sleeve with a price sticker left too long in bright light exposure, the blue will have a green spot under the sticker. I have seen examples.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hammerin'Hank

$1,000,000 question.............How is the yellow so easily removed without damaging the card ?

Like Al said just put it in sunlight. Those cards are the easiest to spot as being altered. The ones done in direct sunlight usually get a dirty dry look to the gloss. The card will also usually get a wavy effect to it like it got damp once.

Then there is the way the yellow ink looks. The key is no matter if there is very little(barely notice) or a lot(regular color) the yellow will be a bright yellow. If it is not a bright yellow it is because it had been faded. The best place to look on the Aaron card is around the Indian in the logo. Notice every one pictured in this thread and every other one you have ever seen has varying degrees of a dull yellow.

Now for the better done ones. They are not wavy, gloss look good, and looks to be no yellow in the circle. These need a 10X loupe to spot in a well naturally lit area. The white in the logo will not be as bright as the white on any other part of the card. Also a quick look with a 60-100X top lighted microscope works pretty well.

There is another thread on here that I have pictures of real missing yellow cards and how to spot them. I do not know how to link to it or I would. I believe someone also posted some great pics that showed where the price sticker was. It was also discussing the 58 Blue Aaron.

[SMPEP]

I used to think the Blue Aaron was real based on this uncut sheet ... BUT if you look closely at the bottom row of cards (especially the left side of the sheet) you can see that there is a clear stripe where there is bright yellow. It sure looks like the full sheet got left in the sun, but someone had piece of paper (?) over a small portion of it at the bottom. You can also see how the other cards look faded versus those ones.

It is interesting that the Logan and Burdette cards didn't turn blue ... but you can see the clear line where they were/were not in the sun ... so they did change, just not as much as Aaron.

(Oh and if you look closely on Ebay - you will find single cards that match the fading on this sheet. There are usually 2-3 Mays cards for example that you can spot without a bright yellow bar at the bottom.)

Patrick

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

I used to think the Blue Aaron was real based on this uncut sheet ... BUT if you look closely at the bottom row of cards (especially the left side of the sheet) you can see that there is a clear stripe where there is bright yellow. It sure looks like the full sheet got left in the sun, but someone had piece of paper (?) over a small portion of it at the bottom. You can also see how the other cards look faded versus those ones.

It is interesting that the Logan and Burdette cards didn't turn blue ... but you can see the clear line where they were/were not in the sun ... so they did change, just not as much as Aaron.

(Oh and if you look closely on Ebay - you will find single cards that match the fading on this sheet. There are usually 2-3 Mays cards for example that you can spot without a bright yellow bar at the bottom.)

Patrick

Super cool sheet, thanks for sharing it.

[1963Topps Set]

What is the average time a card has to be exposed to sun light (or any other light) to get rid of the yellow?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

What is the average time a card has to be exposed to sun light (or any other light) to get rid of the yellow?

It really depends on the year/brand of card. Buy a cheap Green 58 Topps and throw it on the dash of you car and find out. It is actually a fun/cool experiment. You could also put a small piece of tape over part of it so you can see how much it actually changes.

EDIT: If anybody does this please take pictures and post them. I have not used direct sunlight to fade a card in years.

[ALR-bishop]

Patrick-- great sheet scan

Ben-- that was a good thread, if you can direct me to it, I will link it