The Scoundrel HOF

Vintagecatcher · #1 01-07-2015, 10:20 AM

Hi Frank,

Here are my 3 for the scoundrel HOF.

Ty Cobb
Joe Jackson
Roger Clemons

Patrick

Eric72 · #2 01-07-2015, 10:26 AM

Ty Cobb
Mel Hall
Ugeth Urbina

ksabet · #3 01-07-2015, 10:26 AM

My three:

Pete Rose
Ugueth Urbina
Denny Mclain

bn2cardz · #4 01-07-2015, 10:40 AM

So are they the best player that also happen to be scoundrels? Or is this the biggest scoundrel of their era?

If it is the biggest scoundrel without any care for on the field play than here are mine:

Marty Bergen

César Cedeño

Ugueth Urbina

frankbmd · #5 01-07-2015, 10:48 AM

I think we may have a closer, in more ways than one.

Bocabirdman · #6 01-07-2015, 11:08 AM

Let us nor forget Orlando Cepeda and his suitcase of weed.

Jayworld · #7 01-07-2015, 11:10 AM

Charles Risberg
Barry Bonds
Ryan Braun

slipk1068 · #8 01-07-2015, 11:35 AM

From what I have read, Dave Kingman and Joe DiMaggio are/were not nice guys.

edit: Lenny Dykstra

wolf441 · #9 01-07-2015, 11:40 AM

Hal Chase
Ben Chapman
Joey Belle

Northviewcats · #10 01-07-2015, 11:42 AM

If you take into consideration players that were talented enough to make the Hall of Fame but their inner demons got in the way I would nominate:

Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Hank Thompson

Denny McLain has also been mentioned. What he did to the retirement fund at Peet Packing Company was pretty low.

rats60 · #11 01-07-2015, 01:28 PM

Instead of repeats, guys not listed yet

Speaker
Hornsby
All yet unlisted PED guys.

Let's list some more PED guys.

Eric72 · #12 01-07-2015, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Marty Bergen

Amazingly, I had never heard the story of Marty Bergen before. What a psycho!

Hard to believe he only has one vote so far. Since we're only allowed to nominate three scoundrels, I will do the next best thing.

I second your nomination of Marty Bergen.

What he did makes PED use, throwing games, or betting on baseball seem relatively minor, by comparison.

Best regards,

Eric

Kenny Cole · #13 01-07-2015, 02:49 PM

I'll go back to the early days for some new names

Jim Devlin
George Hall
Pat Tebeau

Peter_Spaeth · #14 01-07-2015, 03:02 PM

ARod Bonds Boggs.

bn2cardz · #15 01-08-2015, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric72

Amazingly, I had never heard the story of Marty Bergen before. What a psycho!

Hard to believe he only has one vote so far. Since we're only allowed to nominate three scoundrels, I will do the next best thing.

I second your nomination of Marty Bergen.

What he did makes PED use, throwing games, or betting on baseball seem relatively minor, by comparison.

Best regards,

Eric

Well I am glad I am not alone in believing slaughtering your 3 year old son, 6 year old daughter, and your spouse with an ax is a worse offense than using PEDs or being rude to fans.

earlywynnfan · #16 01-08-2015, 08:51 AM

I'm going to rebel here!!! Keeping it to three choices is arbitrary and constricting. Weren't the original HOF voters allowed 5 picks?? I'm adding two more:

Mel Hall -- I hope there's a special place in Hell for pedophiles
The Robison brothers -- syndicate baseball!!

Ken

Runscott · #17 01-08-2015, 10:47 AM

I'll go with baseball-related scoundrels. My nominations are based on my extreme dislike for liars - these four epitomize lying and betrayal of their fans, and will always head up my own personal 'scoundrel' hall of fame, regardless of the results of Frank's poll (which is very interesting).

I had to choose four, as they are almost tied (in my mind, at least). There are others whose PED use was certainly as bad, but these were the poster boys in terms of their brazen public denial. Braun is #1 because he sacrificed a man who was simply doing his job. McGwire's pansy-like behavior in court deserves special mention - apparently when the steroids wore off, his balls shrunk. Rodriguez was/is just plain stupid - to me, easily the dumbest of the entire bunch. Barry Bonds doesn't make my list, because he at least spared us the constant stupid public denials. We knew he was lying, he knew we knew. The others tried much harder to fool us.

1. Braun
2. Rodriguez
3. McGwire
4. Clemens

Section103 · #18 01-08-2015, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Well I am glad I am not alone in believing slaughtering your 3 year old son, 6 year old daughter, and your spouse with an ax is a worse offense than using PEDs or being rude to fans.

The instance is, of course, worse than anything else listed here. But to me, the situation is far more sad and tragic than it is scandalous. The guy was very clearly not in his right mind and very far from it. We don't treat mental illness well today. I can only imagine how poorly it was handled then. I do fault the guy for not taking his meds (that's his responsibility) but somebody should have stepped in and institutionalized this guy way before anything like this happened. Its a failure on so many fronts.

Peter_Spaeth · #19 01-08-2015, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Section103

The instance is, of course, worse than anything else listed here. But to me, the situation is far more sad and tragic than it is scandalous. The guy was very clearly not in his right mind and very far from it. We don't treat mental illness well today. I can only imagine how poorly it was handled then. I do fault the guy for not taking his meds (that's his responsibility) but somebody should have stepped in and institutionalized this guy way before anything like this happened. Its a failure on so many fronts.

What meds were available in the 1890s?