T205 DRUM vs HINDU....or, other tough front/back combos....let's talk T205's

[EvilKing00]

hey ted,

yea when I say something bothers me this is exactly it. Either there were more minor league cards (which I believe) also I think the set was never finished and there was supposed to be 400 in the baseball set.

OR some can argue the t80 and the t205's and maybe another set (bird?) are part of the same set? but id think the baseball set was just never finished.

[whelenfan]

I like how some of the minor leaguers from t205 have a "background" scene as opposed to just a plain colored background.

[tedzan]

1911 was a very ambitious year for American Lithographic in terms of Tobacco premiums. For starters they finished off the T206 set....while simultaneously
starting their Gold-Boarded sets. These T80 Military Series guys were a very early (circa Feb 1911) issue. Note the T206-type backs.








Furthermore....imagine opening a UZIT or LENOX cigarette pack in the Spring of 1911 and finding a T206 card and a T80 card in it ?


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T201 cards

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Fez Cigarette issue, T77 Lighthouse cards, and T205 cards





Circa 1911 Gold-Border Tobacco premiums

208 = T205 Baseball

50 = T42 Birds

30 = T43 Birds

50 = T56 Emblems

100 = T57 Fables

50 = T69 Historic Homes

50 = T80 Military Series

50 = T99 Sights & Scenes of the World


T99 Sights & Scenes of the World
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So, are there any more of these "Golden Gem" issues, that I may have left out ?


TED Z
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[tedzan]

American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented 2 years ago on this forum.

A = B = C = D connection




The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that the T205 subjects with the Green American Beauty back will NOT
be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 names in bold have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. However, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C pattern.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.



Hey guys......let's see some more T205 DRUM cards. Perhaps we can confirm these remaining 5 guys with DRUM backs.

I really appreciate your responses to this request.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

We all know that the source of DRUM cards (T205's and T206's) are from the St. Louis area.

Recently, it was brought to my attention that T205 BROAD LEAF cards may have been distributed in the Southeast.
A find of T205's included 19 cards with BROAD LEAF backs.

I'm wondering if any one else on this forum has knowledge of BROAD LEAF distribution ?


TED Z
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[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

OR some can argue the t80 and the t205's and maybe another set (bird?) are part of the same set? but id think the baseball set was just never finished.

That is exactly what I think. The numbers are to close and the designs are also to deny a connection

[Yoda]

Although not in the same class as Drum & Hindu reverses, feel the Piedmont Factory 42's merit a mention, especially as I just picked a nice one of Tinker.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Although not in the same class as Drum & Hindu reverses, feel the Piedmont Factory 42's merit a mention, especially as I just picked a nice one of Tinker.

Post scans👍🏻

[tedzan]

Going for an A-B-C-D Quadruplicate run with Lobert. Looking for a DRUM card of him. The checklist below indicates that Lobert has yet to be confirmed with DRUM.
I have complete confidence in my A-B-C-D theory; therefore, I expect Lobert will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.



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American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented 2 years ago on this forum.

A = B = C = D connection





The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that the T205 subjects with the Green American Beauty back will NOT
be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter


The above 5 names in bold have yet to be confirmed with a DRUM back. However, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C pattern.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.



Hey guys......let's see some more T205 DRUM cards. Perhaps we can confirm these remaining 5 guys with DRUM backs.

I really appreciate your responses to this request.


TED Z
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