Questions on E121's

[kmac32]

Some cards are definitely tougher than others especially when it comes to New York commons with rare backs. There were a huge group that sold in July on Ebay and some of the prices were crazy. Fun to collect but expensive.

[Brian Van Horn]

Waiting for Rhett to chime in.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Waiting for Rhett to chime in.

Yes, Rhett has studied them more than anyone else I know....

[VoodooChild]

Bob,

I've been collecting the E121-80 set for a couple of years now. Here's some info that I have (it's been provided to me from some board member experts).

These are cards where only one or a few known examples exist so they obviously can go for crazy prices when they do surface for sale:
Frank Baker (not J. Franklin Baker)
Alexander Gaston
Lee Meadows
Chas. O'Leary
Tom Rogers

These are cards of just Yankee and Giants players that exist with with only Type 2 and Type 3 backs. They can carry pretty big premiums:
Cecil Causey
"Rip" Collins
"Phil" Douglas
William Fewster
Frank Frisch
"Mike" Gonzalez
Harry Harper
Waite Hoyt
Miller Huggins
Carl May (Name Misspelled)
M.J. McNally
Emil Muesel
R. Meusel
Elmer Miller
Arthur Nehf
Roger Peckinpaugh (Correct Name)
Jack Quinn
John Rawlings
Robert Roth
George Ruth
"Bill" Ryan
"Slim" Sallee (Glove Shows)
"Slim" Sallee (No Glove Shows)
Robert Shawkey
"Pat" Shea
Earl Smith
Frank Snyder
Aaron Ward

These cards are not as rare but can still carry a premium:
Johnny Evers (Manager)
Eddie Foster
Walter Holke (Throwing)
Walter Johnson (Hands at Chest)
Duffy Lewis
Carl Mays
Roger Peckinbaugh (Incorrect Name)
Jeff Pfeffer (Brooklyn)
Fred Toney (Trees in Background)
Fred Toney (No Trees in Background)
Bob Veach (Arms Crossed)

These are cards where their existence is questionable in the E121-80 set:
G.C. Alexander (Arms Above Head)
Bill Killifer (Incorrect Last Name - not Killefer)
Ed Roush - position is LF (not CF)
Fred Schupp (Incorrect First Name - not Ferd)
Pat Shea (not "Pat" in quotations)

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by VoodooChild

Bob,

I've been collecting the E121-80 set for a couple of years now. Here's some info that I have (it's been provided to me from some board member experts).

These are cards where only one or a few known examples exist so they obviously can go for crazy prices when they do surface for sale:
Frank Baker (not J. Franklin Baker)
Alexander Gaston
Lee Meadows
Chas. O'Leary
Tom Rogers

These are cards of just Yankee and Giants players that exist with with only Type 2 and Type 3 backs. They can carry pretty big premiums:
Cecil Causey
"Rip" Collins
"Phil" Douglas
William Fewster
Frank Frisch
"Mike" Gonzalez
Harry Harper
Waite Hoyt
Miller Huggins
Carl May (Name Misspelled)
M.J. McNally
Emil Muesel
R. Meusel
Elmer Miller
Arthur Nehf
Roger Peckinpaugh (Correct Name)
Jack Quinn
John Rawlings
Robert Roth
George Ruth
"Bill" Ryan
"Slim" Sallee (Glove Shows)
"Slim" Sallee (No Glove Shows)
Robert Shawkey
"Pat" Shea
Earl Smith
Frank Snyder
Aaron Ward

These cards are not as rare but can still carry a premium:
Johnny Evers (Manager)
Eddie Foster
Walter Holke (Throwing)
Walter Johnson (Hands at Chest)
Duffy Lewis
Carl Mays
Roger Peckinbaugh (Incorrect Name)
Jeff Pfeffer (Brooklyn)
Fred Toney (Trees in Background)
Fred Toney (No Trees in Background)
Bob Veach (Arms Crossed)

These are cards where their existence is questionable in the E121-80 set:
G.C. Alexander (Arms Above Head)
Bill Killifer (Incorrect Last Name - not Killefer)
Ed Roush - position is LF (not CF)
Fred Schupp (Incorrect First Name - not Ferd)
Pat Shea (not "Pat" in quotations)

I echo what everyone else has said, some really tough cards in this series, although the rarity of the card doesn't directly translate to astronomic price levels as there are less people pursuing the set, even though to me (and others) it is THE 1920's caramel set as the E120 set is too drab even though it is more extensive as far as the number of subjects there are no real rarities. I agree that the Joe Wood "F." should be on the short list of extreme rarities (I have seen only 2 in the past 10 years but they may in fact be the same card seen at two different times as only 1 is currently confirmed), perhaps along with the George Dauss w/ Serif font name on front (only one confirmed copy--but I only noticed this card within the past year or so so there may be more out there).

Jason has a very nice list above though the following should be adjusted...
-Only the Slim Sallee with the backround (not the E135 image) is found with the rare backs.
-The Carl "May" card does not have the rare backs but should be on the next list with the tougher cards.


As far as the E121 Series of 120 cards are concerned, they are MUCH more straightforward but there are still some tougher to find cards, usually they are variations. I have found the following two cards to be the toughest ones to find (about equally so)...
-John Rawlings (Utl.) -the 2B. position version is common
-George Whitted (Brooklyn) -the Pittsburgh version is common

To a little lesser extent (but still very tough to find) is the George "Topocer" (ERROR) card, I have found the corrected George "Toporcer" card to be easier.