T205 DRUM vs HINDU....or, other tough front/back combos....let's talk T205's

[Econteachert205]

Since the t206 sheet threads have been so huge I was wondering when the 05s would get some love. I especially would want to know because of the nature of the sp's and how the sheets were put together. Thanks for all the work Ted!

[bn2cardz]

It would be a great help if PSA would start showing love to the t205 set. They still just label them as Gold Border (same as t207 being listed only as 'brown background'). They don't indicate back advertisements not alone factory like they do with t206. That would really help. For this reason I wouldn't get any t205 or t206 graded with PSA anymore.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Since the t206 sheet threads have been so huge I was wondering when the 05s would get some love. I especially would want to know because of the nature of the sp's and how the sheets were put together. Thanks for all the work Ted!

Dennis

I appreciate the compliment.

Regarding printed sheet arrangements, illustrated here is my hypothetical simulated sheet of 48 cards of the Minor Leaguers. I could expand this format to as many as 108 cards
that would fill-out a standard 18" x 24" size sheet that was used by American Lithographic for their small size lithographic projects in that era.

Note that this arrangement is only 48 cards due to the 18 image limitation on Net54 posts.















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[EvilKing00]

That handford card still bothers me, with the red background. Why is he the only one? Some responded cause of the team. Hes the inly jersey guy, could be. Where there supposed to be more jersey guys? Probably. Love the mystery as well as the beauty if the set.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

That handford card still bothers me, with the red background. Why is he the only one? Some responded cause of the team. Hes the inly jersey guy, could be. Where there supposed to be more jersey guys? Probably. Love the mystery as well as the beauty if the set.

Hanford should have been captioned with Montreal (instead of Jersey City). It's an error card, both in Team and in color.









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[EvilKing00]

Hey ted, interesting. Never realized he was on mon at the time of the print. But the red name... Why red when everyone else was yellow? Every hanford name is red so it was structured

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Hey ted, interesting. Never realized he was on mon at the time of the print. But the red name... Why red when everyone else was yellow? Every hanford name is red so it was structured

So, the Handford card "still bothers" you, "with the red background".


Well, let me try to explain this anomaly in the printing of these twelve T205 Minor League cards. OK, this is my theory, however the circumstances are as such that I feel it warrants merit.

Most knowledgeable T205 collectors believe that the T205 Minor Leaguers were printed and issued in late 1911 (or 1912). The basis for this timeline is in the bios of 8 of these 12 subjects.
I agree with their issued timeline. But, here is the printing situation as I see it......

The fronts of these 12 cards were printed very early in 1911 when American Litho designed, printed, and issued their T80 Military Series (Feb. 1911). It's obvious from the similar stylistic
designs, the same artist created the Military Series and these T205 Minor Leaguers. For unknown reasons, sheets of these pre-printed fronts of the Minor Leaguers were then shelved until
very late in 1911, when the bios of these 12 guys were printed on the backs of these cards.

Therefore Steve, having said all that, to address your concern regarding the Hanford card..I'm showing several examples of the cards from my T80 set. Many of them have a Yellow name
box, some have a Red name box, some have a light Blue name box. My point here is that American Litho. probably printed up more than 12 Minor Leaguer's (which like the T80 cards had
Yellow, Red, Blue name boxes). How many more than 12 ? We will probably never find out. So, they finally selected the 12 we know; and, one of them happens to have a Red name box.









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[EvilKing00]

hey ted,

yea when I say something bothers me this is exactly it. Either there were more minor league cards (which I believe) also I think the set was never finished and there was supposed to be 400 in the baseball set.

OR some can argue the t80 and the t205's and maybe another set (bird?) are part of the same set? but id think the baseball set was just never finished.

[whelenfan]

very interesting indeed, I had never noticed that before!

[tedzan]

One of my favorite T205's....Donahue was an excellent 1st Baseman. One of his biggest claims to fame was when he hit a single
to break up Ed Reulbach's bid for a No-Hitter in the 2nd game of the 1906 World Series between the two Chicago teams.

Although, I have wondered why he was pictured in the T205 set, since his Major League career ended on October 2, 1909. Does
this suggest to us how far in advance American Litho. was planning this set. Or, is Donahue simply a carry-over from the T206
set ?
Unfortunately, 2 years after this card of him was issued, Donahue suffered a very untimely death at the young age of 34.



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Show & tell us about your favorite T205 ballplayer.



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[asoriano]

In one famous incident, a waiter in a New York tavern asked Bugs how he threw his spitter. Eager to oblige, Raymond stood up and gripped a glass tumbler. "I wet these two fingers like so," he reportedly said. Then, after winding up, he threw the glass through the window. "Notice the break," he said as he sat down.

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/79835564

[gfgcom]

I know this is an old post, but I have just picked up a

neal ball Naps
jacob stahl red sox

both with the hindu back

[gfgcom]

new pick up

[Leon]

Unless those are in your collection they really shouldn't be on the front page.

We have had this discussion several times before.
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Originally Posted by gfgcom

new pick up

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Leon

Unless those are in your collection they really shouldn't be on the front page.

We have had this discussion several times before.
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Since this is the first confirmation of the Ball even existing with the Hindu back, and only the 2nd confirmed Stahl/Hindu (after mine), I think his post is ok in this case.

Steve