1962 Topps Mickey Mantle

[Runscott]

Shelly, I think it's a good autograph - not an auto pen - and that it was signed with a bad ball-point pen. Those early ball-points were all over the board quality-wise.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Shelly, I think it's a good autograph - not an auto pen - and that it was signed with a bad ball-point pen. Those early ball-points were all over the board quality-wise.

That is still my opinion. The only reason I brought it up is that if this an autopen watch out.He did a great job.

[Runscott]

...and I'll also add a 'disagreement disclaimer' - some of the guys who I have had the most heated debates with here, are some of the guys who I now enjoy discussing things with most, Chris being one of them.

[Econteachert205]

My interpretation from the card is that it was authentic and simply signed under less than perfect conditions with a less than perfect pen resulting in the issues discussed.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

My interpretation from the card is that it was authentic and simply signed under less than perfect conditions with a less than perfect pen resulting in the issues discussed.

Great discussion. I've enjoyed reading the various opinions about this autograph and this is how I look at it.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

My interpretation from the card is that it was authentic and simply signed under less than perfect conditions with a less than perfect pen resulting in the issues discussed.

I agree. I don't know how someone could have traced it so effortlessly and if it was an autopen then I am sure we would have seen many more autopen signatures in the hobby.

[shelly]

Like I said from the start. I like this piece and would still buy it. I brought up other Idea's because I do respect Chris;s opinion. That being said it is time for Chris to tell us why he believes it is a forgery. and not just say its a forgery and nothing more.I think Econ explained it as well as anyone.
Now one last thing. Mantles N is the key. It is perfect an autopen can not be that smooth it would have left a little more of corner on that n also the loop to the n is perfect. Like I said before I have never seen this signature which makes me really believe that it is not an autopen.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

...and I'll also add a 'disagreement disclaimer' - some of the guys who I have had the most heated debates with here, are some of the guys who I now enjoy discussing things with most, Chris being one of them.

Thank you, Scott. Much appreciated.

[thetruthisoutthere]

When the card comes back from PSA, I will be anxious to know the result.

I was immediately suspicious of the sig the first time I viewed. Has too many issues and it looks too labored.

Let's wait and see the PSA result.

This is definitely fun.

[rctaylor]

Guys I have looked at this card under a magnifier & my wife's CCTV (she is legally blind & this TV lets you put an item under the monitor & it blows the image up into a larger image) thie card has not been traced, their are no stopping points. The first part of the M in Mickey has been gone overbut what I think happened is he started signing the card & he got distracted telling a story or something & he started over & signed his full signature. I have compared it to the other 100+ Mantle autograph's I have in my collection & I still believe it is real. I even found a photo that Mickey signed for me where he made the circle dot above the i in Mickey.
Yes you read it right I have over 100 Mantle autographs in my collection. My uncle was Cliff Mapes. I was fortunate enough to get to see Mickey 1 or 2 times a year for several years & over that time I got a lot of items signed by Mick. The 3 HOF plaques that I posted are all real & all have been slabbed by PSA. Yes he was drunk when he signed the one in the middle. It was my first one I ever got signed by him & I askedhim to sign it when he was leaving to go back to his room. He about fell over signing it for me.
Thanks again & here are a couple more photos I wanted to share with you. The first one is of my Uncle Cliff Mapes taken at Yankees stadium on Babe Ruth day in 1948 when they retired Babe's #3. My uncle was the last Yankee to wear that number. The second is of my uncle wearing #7 congradulating a young rookie name Mickey Mantle after he just hit his first major league home run!
Enjoy!
Robert

[thetruthisoutthere]

First and foremost, everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving.

I wrote Shelly in an email, although it "looks" to be good, my immediately reaction was "there is something not right about it."

Too many issues in my opinion.

This type of thread is useful and helpful to everyone.

When it comes to autographs, the learning process is a daily thing with me and it is very humbling.

I am anxious to read the PSA result on the OP's "Mantle."

[shelly]

I will stay with what I stated at the start. It is a good Mantle. I would not waste money sending it in to PSA.
I was surprised to hear it was a drunk mantle. I saw him fall down piss in a planted pot and get up and sign two hundred baseballs. Each one was better than the next. I only remember when he would start to scribble is when he wanted to leave or take a long break.aka get a drink.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

First and foremost, everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving.

I wrote Shelly in an email, although it "looks" to be good, my immediately reaction was "there is something not right about it."

Too many issues in my opinion.

This type of thread is useful and helpful to everyone.

When it comes to autographs, the learning process is a daily thing with me and it is very humbling.

I am anxious to read the PSA result on the OP's "Mantle."

Considering you know as much, if not more, than the shadows at PSA -- and we're a pretty anti-TPA bunch anyways -- why do you want to see what they say?

[Runscott]

Ken, I was wondering that as well. Curiosity, perhaps?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ken, I was wondering that as well. Curiosity, perhaps?

No it was because I suggested it. I hate them just as much as he does. It was going to be used as a tie breaker. I then said no. Nothing to do with his likening them or not.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ken, I was wondering that as well. Curiosity, perhaps?

PSA is very good with Mantle, DiMaggio, etc. autographs.

They will have it in person to examine and I am very curious.

I think they will reject it.

Let's wait and see.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Considering you know as much, if not more, than the shadows at PSA -- and we're a pretty anti-TPA bunch anyways -- why do you want to see what they say?

I never wrote I was anti-TPA.