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The different third series backs are a big impediment. Getting the 2 Mantles, Robinsons and Thompsons is also a bit of a barrier. Another issue is there is not an agreed upon hobby definition of what constitutes a master set. The H&G Super set had 579 cards, but if the type of print defects it includes count towards a master set, it was not "complete" either
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My accounting says there are 555 cards to complete a 1952 TOPPS Master set.
Currently, I'm 25 cards short of this achievement.....and, they are cards from the mid-series (#131 - 190) with Gray backs. .... Type 1 .................................................. .................................................. ...... Type 2 ![]() ![]() Mid-series Gray backs ............ ![]() ![]() TED Z . |
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Ted---have you looked at the 579 cards listed in the H&G Super set. I would be interested in knowing which ones are beyond your list of 555. They are clearly some recurring minor print defects in the 579 that many would not include. Another toughie involves the fact that the House yellow tiger can apparently be found among the gray backs as well as the regular backs. Someone reported that here not long back
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I'm trying to work on it............finished 1-310 with 1-80 in both black/red versions. Picked up a lower grade Page Error this weekend in Chicago and bought a really clean, vibrant Joe Nuxhall to get me to 22 high numbers now. It's gonna be a grind now on the high numbers as money and opportunity take over to find the ones I want at the price I want to pay. Then the final slot.....Mantle......
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Sounds like you are enjoying the quest, Tom
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My 555 subjects figure takes into account the Frank House variation. As for all those others, I am unaware of them. I'll have to check them out. As you noted, they are most likely just printing flaws. Anyhow, if I were to include all the 1952 Topps printing flaws that I have seen over the years, my 555 figure would exceed 600 cards. Best regards, my friend TED Z . |
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Zach
You are correct in what you are saying ... except I am DEFINITELY not in the lead for glossies. I know it sounds crazy ... but I'm not even sure if I have 1. I have 4-5 that I honestly think could be either version. They could be glossies that have aged "hard". Or they could be regular grey backs. And even when I put them next to a regular grey back and a regular second series card ... I can't tell which they look more like. Once I determined that I lack the eye sight to tell which version I have ... I decided that my quest for a "master" set would end when I get one copy of all the grey backs. So I'm not even trying for the glossies. I will be happy/amazed if I can get one of each player ... and I just need Reiser. Seriously ... someone out there HAS to have a Reiser! There are 5 known to date ... but there should have been at least 25 originally printed (maybe more). Based on the other SP cards ... there SHOULD be 7-8 undiscovered Reisers out there. Reiser should NOT be the rarest of the grey backs. It was printed in exactly equal numbers as all other cards #171-190. It's just the random luck of what has been discovered to date that there is an artificial rarity. I truly think there will be more Reisers eventually discovered than some of the other players ... because compared to some of the back up players in that series ... he is a star people would have saved. But the next Reiser will sell for more than it should because several folks need that card. But if anyone comes across a Reiser ... let me know! I will make it worth your while to send it my way! Thanks, Patrick Ps - I think the 579 is a low estimate of the master number. 407 cards. 80 black backs. 60 grey backs. That gets you to 547 without any effort. That does not even include the recogized variations (Campos, Page, Sain, etc.). If you add 60 grey back glossies to the list ... you're at 607 (and we known that at least 2-3 of every third series card was printed as a glossies. How many still exist is unknown). So 579 is a low estimate in my book. |
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Patrick--I think it is amazing you are lacking just one gray back. Hope you come across Mr Reiser soon.
Have you looked at the H&S Super set checklist ? There is no doubt some of the listed variants are just printing flaws, but they are recurring and I was able to run them down fairly easily. As I recall very few of the print defect variants were in the high series, although Campanella is one. Maybe no one wants to find any there ![]() |
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Al As you know....but for those that don't....the Double-Printed Mantle has several printing differences which are indicated here. .... Type 1 .................................................. .................................................. ...... Type 2 ![]() ![]() /\ ...........A.............B........................ ............C..................................... .............................................A.... ........B.................................C /\ Differences between Type 1 vs. Type 2 A......Right arm skin tone vs. right arm glossy B......Yankees logo box border complete vs. logo box border incomplete C......Clean yellow top braid in name box vs ragged yellow top braid And, of course the stitches on the baseball on the back are reversed. TED Z . |
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