Ron and Khyber Oser leave Legendary for Huggins

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I had no idea they were still up and running...got dropped from the catalog list long ago...was surprised to see someone make a "Legendary pickups" thread. Who in their right mind would feel safe consigning to that outfit at this point..they have to be awful close to sentencing.

And who in their right mind would continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution by consigning or bidding in their auctions anyway? Time for collectors to clean up the hobby. If not us, then who?

I've been boycotting Legendary for a year and encourage everybody to just stop bidding. No bids = out of business.

jeff

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

And who in their right mind would continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution by consigning or bidding in their auctions anyway? Time for collectors to clean up the hobby. If not us, then who?

I've been boycotting Legendary for a year and encourage everybody to just stop bidding. No bids = out of business.

jeff

Bill and Doug stole plenty of money for themselves by shill bidding their own auctions and committing all sorts of other fraud; however, plenty of consignors conspired with them by shilling up their own lots, knowing they could get away with it with Doug and Bill at the helm of Mastro. So you ask for collectors to clean up the hobby when it is the collectors themselves who are part of the fraud as well.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Bill and Doug stole plenty of money for themselves by shill bidding their own auctions and committing all sorts of other fraud; however, plenty of consignors conspired with them by shilling up their own lots, knowing they could get away with it with Doug and Bill at the helm of Mastro. So you ask for collectors to clean up the hobby when it is the collectors themselves who are part of the fraud as well.

My guess is that MOST consignors shill their own auctions, regardless of the auction house. It would be great if, as collectors, we gave all of our support to the auction houses that show that they do their best to prevent consignor shilling, but all consignors have to do to get around that is find friends to bid on their items.

So you are left with policing the actual auction house. That's been done to Legendary in a substantial way, so I would think they are now one of the least likely to shill their own auctions.

[turtleguy64]

Jeff,no surprise here.Their veep Jeff Marren did the intro of their just completed auction catalogue.It sounded like his goodbye.Now the Osers gone,leaving a rudderless ship.We may have seen the last of Legendary.and to boot a now brewing controversy as they pulled their feature item-rookie Gretsky game uniform -out of the catalogue just as the final day of bidding was starting. It's over.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by turtleguy64

and to boot a now brewing controversy as they pulled their feature item-rookie Gretsky game uniform -out of the catalogue just as the final day of bidding was starting. It's over.

But the Gretzky jersey is still up on auction and ends in 27 days

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/197...LOT169421.aspx

[turtleguy64]

true,but as Legendary noted in pulling the jersey until Dec.,they are doing more research.a little late for that when it's your featured money getter in the auction.

[ksabet]

On the flip side it also seems like a strong move for H&S. The guys there are great and just got better.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ksabet

On the flip side it also seems like a strong move for H&S. The guys there are great and just got better.

Are the Osers photo guys?

[toppcat]

I'll miss their past auctions gallery.....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

And who in their right mind would continue to be part of the problem instead of the solution by consigning or bidding in their auctions anyway? Time for collectors to clean up the hobby. If not us, then who?

I've been boycotting Legendary for a year and encourage everybody to just stop bidding. No bids = out of business.

jeff

The Legendary employees who were convicted are going to prison. The ones who weren't are trying to get an auction house back on its feet. I don't see how punishing the remaining employees serves any purpose.

[Fred]

Jeff,

You're right about bidders shilling their own lots. I knew someone that told me they were doing just that. I was dumbfounded when I heard that.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Fred

Jeff,

You're right about bidders shilling their own lots. I knew someone that told me they were doing just that. I was dumbfounded when I heard that.

Dumbfounded? I'm dumbfounded that you were dumbfounded.

I bet the auction house actually got mad at me when my lot ended with a shitty final bid;i.e-why didn't I have the sense to play the game properly?

[bobbyw8469]

I bet the auction house actually got mad at me when my lot ended with a shitty final bid;i.e-why didn't I have the sense to play the game properly?

Amen brother!! I have had so many of my consignments sell for rock bottom prices as well!

[Fred]

Scott,

It's not easy for me to find dumb, I get to look in the mirror every morning and do my best Forrest Gump... The person told me this back when Mastro Auctions was going strong. I think it was before it turned to MastroNet. In any case I'll shock you by saying I was "shocked" to hear it....

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Fred

Scott,

It's not easy for me to find dumb, I get to look in the mirror every morning and do my best Forrest Gump... The person told me this back when Mastro Auctions was going strong. I think it was before it turned to MastroNet. In any case I'll shock you by saying I was "shocked" to hear it....

Yes, Fred shame on you for not assuming everyone in the hobby is a crook.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The Legendary employees who were convicted are going to prison. The ones who weren't are trying to get an auction house back on its feet. I don't see how punishing the remaining employees serves any purpose.

Ummm. Who owns Legendary?

jeff

[turtleguy64]

who owns Legendary ? doesn't matter.look for a dissolving of the company shortly.don't see them posting a schedule of events after this Nov. 23rd in Chicago.the name is besmirched like the Mastro name.you don't come back from that .

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Ummm. Who owns Legendary?

jeff

Jeff - boycott whoever you please. No one's going to think any less, or more of you.

[1952boyntoncollector]

is there any reason to not feel safe sending a check to the Legendary Auction and not receiving an item won ?


they dont accept credit card or paypal

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

is there any reason to not feel safe sending a check to the Legendary Auction and not receiving an item won ?


they dont accept credit card or paypal

You'll be fine. If not you can always write a letter to the judge.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Jeff - boycott whoever you please. No one's going to think any less, or more of you.

My only point is that whomever owns Legendary benefits from its continuation. I don't think looking at the employees and helping them keep things going is the right focus as the profits go to the shareholders. My understand is Doug Allen and other former Mastro employees started the company and likely still own the majority. Helping Legendary continue on simply helps these people, who are now indicted, continue to profit from this mess.

I'm not looking for people to think more or less of anyone on this board, just to act. I get tired of all of the people on boards who are appalled at shill bidding, crooked auction houses, shady dealers, etc. but who when it comes right down to it won't put their money where their mouth is. To each their own but don't expect things to ever get better if you're not willing to be part of the solution.

jeff

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff, unlikely to happen. As has been said many times, stuff trumps all.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff, unlikely to happen. As has been said many times, stuff trumps all.

Peter, you're right.

but

If you keep getting in line to get peed on, don't be surprised when you get wet.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff, unlikely to happen. As has been said many times, stuff trumps all.

I'm not saying this is you, Peter, because I don't know you at all. But usually the people who say this are the ones trying to rationalize their behavior to themselves because they know its wrong.

Time to man up and do what right and fix the hobby. Are you part of the solution or the problem?

jeff

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

My only point is that whomever owns Legendary benefits from its continuation. I don't think looking at the employees and helping them keep things going is the right focus as the profits go to the shareholders. My understand is Doug Allen and other former Mastro employees started the company and likely still own the majority. Helping Legendary continue on simply helps these people, who are now indicted, continue to profit from this mess.

I'm not looking for people to think more or less of anyone on this board, just to act. I get tired of all of the people on boards who are appalled at shill bidding, crooked auction houses, shady dealers, etc. but who when it comes right down to it won't put their money where their mouth is. To each their own but don't expect things to ever get better if you're not willing to be part of the solution.

jeff

Edited heavily - my apologies for initial reaction.

Point taken about the owners of Legendary. Maybe there is someone here who can shed more light on that issue.

I doubt there is anyone here, including yourself, who deals only with squeaky-clean dealers, auction houses and collectors. But I also think that these discussions are leading to solutions. When we discussed the crooked ebay dealers, I like to think that many forum members quit participating in those auctions. Now we are discussing consignors shilling - hopefully that leads to some forum members thinking twice about shilling or having others shill for them (peer pressure if nothing else). I have mixed feelings about the major auction houses - we've seen evidence that almost every single one of them is dishonest in some way. So do we boycott all of them? Or do we discuss it here and let them know how we feel about their behavior? We've seen changes as a result of these discussions;e.g-H&S removing the photos with 'wishful thinking' identifications - small thing, but it started with discussions here.

At worst, the discussions don't hurt anything and certainly no action is going to be taken if we keep quiet.

[1952boyntoncollector]

anyone who says a card sold at rock bottom price and could easily of gotten more for the card cause its not the 'true' market...why not have a friend or themselve just buy the card and sell it....if the buyers premium makes it unlikely to do that then it was close enough to market price to not complain

basicaly if its selling at a price where you are 100% sure you can resell it for a profit thats worth..go and buy it...dont complain it sold for way under market and market period doesnt mean just a week period.....if so sure it sold cheaply buy it back and move on..otherwise it was sure as heck close enough to market price if you worried about buyers premium...close enough to market price to not be 'rock bottom price'....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

anyone who says a card sold at rock bottom price and could easily of gotten more for the card cause its not the 'true' market...why not have a friend or themselve just buy the card and sell it....if the buyers premium makes it unlikely to do that then it was close enough to market price to not complain

basicaly if its selling at a price where you are 100% sure you can resell it for a profit thats worth..go and buy it...dont complain it sold for way under market and market period doesnt mean just a week period.....if so sure it sold cheaply buy it back and move on..otherwise it was sure as heck close enough to market price if you worried about buyers premium...close enough to market price to not be 'rock bottom price'....

okay