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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by onlychild

Brian, I've never heard the term "shaving" in regards to removing colors; always understood that to mean micro-trimming or sanding.

When cards are put through a series of certain chemicals some colors wash away faster than others. The dark green (as seen on Mordecai), browns, and certain blacks hang on longer, while others may fade rather quickly. Why? I don't know. More/less or spot specific ink can be removed depending on the amount of detail desired.

Anyways, here are some examples on why I think the Mordecai card is questionable. I made these and dozens of other altered cards years ago. The t206 below had the background with just the image removed but I decided to keep going. To my knowledge, none of my alterations are in the hobby.

Kevin Saucier

Hey there Kevin,

Yes... these cards are well known(to me anyway). Scraps & Removing Color has always been of interest of mine. 15 or so years ago, Scraps, Misfits, Freaks etc... were a good part of my collection. I'm curious to see, if You have one, or know of one other, an Example of one that would be iN the same order as Jim's "Mordecai Brown". Mostly, Colors can be removed by chemically neutralizing the specific ink color. Removing a combination of a few colors is not possible without damaging the card, also the chemical solvent would then bleed into the other area of the cards color-litho(In this case, outside the players figure). Even carefully removing one color at a time, would be a very lengthy process... and in the end the card itself would show noticeable damage. Removing the Black ink is the hardest![

This is why I am so confident that Jim's Card is "Scrap" and not made after the factory to look this way.

Just a little disclosure! I grew up New York and one of my friends, their family owns a major printing company. The Family Business is 3 generation's running. My Friend is a little older than me, I believe that he's 57. In the past 10 or so years we have discussed the possibilities of the ink process and in~depth color removal. He has been very Helpful, Helping me to understand what can and can't be done.

And of course, all of this iS, my humble opinion

Oh... Brian, I do believe that this was brought up involving Jim's Card, But I don't remember Jim being involved in the discussion... When I have a bit more time, I'll see if I can come uP wit the Archives... oR maybe someone else can help us out?

[onlychild]

Denny, will try my best here. It's not the colors that are missing insomuch as what colors are left; the stubborn dark green and shades of blacks.

It is easier to remove a combination of ink then it is to remove a certain color. In some cases it is not possible to my knowledge. I have been able to remove just the light blue and/or just the flesh tone. It has to be closely watched and checked on by the second. More than one chemical or mixtures are required at times. In all the card stock and remains perfectly intact. If it looks off, a simple re-tone fixes it.

Here are some cards made previously that come close. I tend to get carried away and keep the process going without documenting the progress but this will give you an idea. Guess, I could always find a non-sport and make another to match the Brown but it's a process and my interests are elsewhere now.

Kevin

[irishdenny]

Thanks Kev,
I do believe that we both can see & understand that the "Process" takes its toll oN the Card and the evidence of the "Process" is left behind leaving the Card Damaged...

My Belief iS... that if I had your cards iN hand and the Mordecai along side of them I would be able to determine that the Mordecai iS "Real"(w/o any Card Surface/Layer damage).

I do follow along as to what Your conveying and I just have the notion that the proof iS & would be iN plain sight... iF the Cards were iN my hands(or yours!), the answer would be easy to determine. At this point... I Still Strongly see the Mordecai to be "True Scrap", as opposed to being "Worked"...To me, It Looks More Real than NoT!

I do humbly believe that the latest cards that you scanned, show me enough that I believe that I can tell that they have been "worked".

I do understand & respect both Yours & Leon's position/opinion oN the Mordecai Card. However, from what I know... The Dating of the Mordecai Slabbing, & from its scan(although one might say its really hard to see & tell!?), I still believe that its True to the "Scrap" Nature.

Thanks fir taking the time to share & discuss the issue.
And if I at All offended You iN Any Way...
"Please Forgive Me!?"
I Sometimes wear my emotions oN my Arm(so to speak), my passion is & remains towards the Hobby... I'm certain that the idea that it was "JimB's Card" that was iN question... & I'm sure that I went further than I should of, my emotions got the best of me!

"So I do Hope that You'll Forgive me!?"

Sincerely!

As Always...

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[Jobu]

I thought it would be fun to bump this thread for Halloween.

[Jantz]

Here is two-for-one.

Thanks again Mike P. for adding this one to my collection.