T201 Mecca - Master Set/New Discovery/New Theory

[Marslife]

Thanks Mr. Wheat! GR8 stuff as usual, thanks for chiming in. Also thanks for busting my theory on the Kling/Cole F30 short print

Just kidding - glad to know the F30's exist and my quest for the Master Set continues! The thrill is in the hunt!

I suspect that we can still consider the Lord/Dougherty a short print even though one factory 30 turned up. From all the emails and PM's it seems that so far I've found the only one! Keep the emails coming if you find another.

I am still interested to see if anyone else has run across a F30 Kling/Cole. From everyones responses, the Kling/Cole does seem to be harder to find than others. Perhaps it is due to only having one card on a sheet with larger amounts of stars at the time with multiple copies on a printing sheet?

I am trying to archive some photos of miscuts I run across and someday hope to start to peice together side by side sheet positions... someday!

thanks to all the T201 FANS that responded with words of encouragement!

the hunt continues!

Cliff

[Fred]

After completing that set I never understood why Lord/Daugherty card was considered hard to obtain. There were quite a few errors in the "Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards".

A big error that I think/hope has finally been corrected in the "Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards" is the existence of an N162 Dunlop on Detroit. My guess is some hobby veteran indicated he mistakenly had the card and based on that collectors status the publisher of the catalog listed it as a part of the set. What was really odd is that the "Detroit" version (non-existant) was listed as the cheaper of the two cards (Detroit or Pittsburgh team designation).

Perhaps the Lord/Daugherty was difficult for some advanced collector(s) to find (before the days of the internet) so when the original card catalogs were published the card was deemed scarce or a short print based on a false assumption. That is what I truly believe. I bet any adavanced collector that has gone after the T201 set will tell you Lord/Daugherty is not difficult to find.

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by Fred

Perhaps the Lord/Daugherty was difficult for some advanced collector(s) to find (before the days of the internet) so when the original card catalogs were published the card was deemed scarce or a short print based on a false assumption. That is what I truly believe. I bet any adavanced collector that has gone after the T201 set will tell you Lord/Daugherty is not difficult to find.

I agree. There have been a good number available on Ebay since I started collecting the set last year.

[DerekD]

I went through my set and had 15 F30s. Both of my Lord and Kling were F649.

Thanks for sharing.

[chlankf]

Originally Posted by Marslife

Thanks Mr. Wheat! GR8 stuff as usual, thanks for chiming in. Also thanks for busting my theory on the Kling/Cole F30 short print

Just kidding - glad to know the F30's exist and my quest for the Master Set continues! The thrill is in the hunt!

I suspect that we can still consider the Lord/Dougherty a short print even though one factory 30 turned up. From all the emails and PM's it seems that so far I've found the only one! Keep the emails coming if you find another.

I am still interested to see if anyone else has run across a F30 Kling/Cole. From everyones responses, the Kling/Cole does seem to be harder to find than others. Perhaps it is due to only having one card on a sheet with larger amounts of stars at the time with multiple copies on a printing sheet?

I am trying to archive some photos of miscuts I run across and someday hope to start to peice together side by side sheet positions... someday!

thanks to all the T201 FANS that responded with words of encouragement!

the hunt continues!

Cliff

Since starting this set a few weeks ago I have been doing a lot of reading. Really enjoyed reading the information on this post.
Hoping to hear any updates on factory 30 vrs 649 numbers since the original post. Additionally, Cliff have you found your Kling/Cole F30 yet?

Happy hunting.
Craig

[Marslife]

Hey Craig!

welcome to the set of "perfect Satisfaction!"

still hammering away at a Master set. I also collect the non sports mecca set (EX:t42 birds) and with all the Mecca sets it seems the Factory 30's are "less prevalent" than the F 649's.

We have learned that a T201 Master set IS POSSIBLE in that Zach Wheat has a F30 Kling/Cole (which I need) and I have a F30 Lord/Dougherty (which he needs)! So I am sitting at 99/100 for a Master Set :-(

Neither one of us is relenting to the other so the stalemate continues!

I will be the guy at the National in Cleveland irritating all the dealers by turning all the T201's upside down!

The quest continues....

I have upgraded several cards, (good news for me bad news for him) in that Keith broke up his beautiful SGC registry set, i was proud to win a couple at auction.

All of my cards are SGC so one day when I get some time to get them separated on the registry.

Welcome to the Double Folder club! its a great set!

TTYL!

Cliff

[chlankf]

Cliff,

Having such a good time with these.

I hadn't found any vintage Des Moines or Iowa baseball items lately. A member posted in BST a Clarke/Byrne Since Fred Clarke is from Winterset, Iowa and just a few miles from me I could justify picking it up. Had to go show my dad as soon as it arrived. My father pulled out a Summers/Jennings I gave him for Christmas 25 or so years ago.

Here 2-3 weeks later, I've jumped in feet first into the world of T201s. I've picked up another seven cards looking for F30 but haven't discriminated against F649. No plans on working towards a master set but can really appreciate your efforts.

So far I've picked up:
Clarke/Byrne F649
Stovall/Turner F649
Baker/Downie F649
Brown/Hofma F649
Mathewson/Bridwell F649
Summers/Jennings F30
Laff/Barry F30
Killian/Fitzpatrick F30
Crawford/Cobb F30

Not going for high grade, just no trimming, missing pieces, writing, tears, etc.

Craig

[RCMcKenzie]

Picked up a T201 Mecca 30 Lord/Dougherty...to go with my Mecca 649 with Burdick stamps...

[chlankf]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Picked up a T201 Mecca 30 Lord/Dougherty...to go with my Mecca 649 with Burdick stamps...

Very nice pickup

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Picked up a T201 Mecca 30 Lord/Dougherty...to go with my Mecca 649 with Burdick stamps...

Always like the Burdick stamps on cards....

[RCMcKenzie]

Thank you, Craig and Leon. Craig (or all) have you added any recent T201's?

Here is a Titus/Dooin miscut. I don't know the set well enough to know the additional card, but one of you might know. If not, I may go through to see what card is alongside.

Here are the current psa pop #'s

Highest-- Cobb/Crawford 411
Lowest-- Kling/Cole 145
Lush/Hauser 157
Titus/Dooin 157
Lord/Daugherty 174

Cobb is often the highest in any set he is in. Not only were people more likely to keep a Cobb card, they were more likely to get it graded...Rob