Mordecai Brown auto

[w7imel]

My friend is taking the ball to the Chicago autograph convention this weekend and having psa/dna look at it. I will keep you posted as to how it goes.

[ATP]

Any update to this?
Best,
Jeff

[yanks12025]

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So what's the update on this ball???

[ATP]

Originally Posted by w7imel

My friend is taking the ball to the Chicago autograph convention this weekend and having psa/dna look at it. I will keep you posted as to how it goes.

Hi Mike, what ever ended up happening regarding the M. Brown ball?
Jeff

[w7imel]

PSA did not pass it, Jim said they gave him reasons but I didnt press him too much about it as I could tell he was really bummed out due to the fact the ball had been in the family so long. My only thought as to why not authenticated was that if you look at the ball there is a date written on it that is very faint, Maybe the signature was also at one point and either his dad or grandpa might have "touched it up" to make it dark again. Again just a idea. Dont think anyone will ever know.

[JeremyW]

It doesn't look touched up to me. I'm guessing that PSA is being overly cautious due to the value of this ball.

[w7imel]

and that could be he is going to send to JSA after the holidays to get their thoughts as well.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

It doesn't look touched up to me. I'm guessing that PSA is being overly cautious due to the value of this ball.

Jeremy,
Have you ever seen the single signed balls that PSA authenticates for the big auction houses???
They are not shy about authenticating single signed "high value" baseballs.
And I agree that ball does not look touched up but don't they authenticate touched up balls?

[w7imel]

Thats kind of what I thought Richard..Seems PSA has never been worried about authenticating big item stuff almost like they love the attention that it was them deemed item authentic! JMO on it all

[JeremyW]

Richard- Don't get me wrong. I'm not a PSA/JSA defender. Maybe I'm just gullible, but the story behind the ball sounds legit to me. If the owner of the 3 Finger ball wanted to sell the ball, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a major auction w/both a PSA & a JSA letter.

[w7imel]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

Richard- Don't get me wrong. I'm not a PSA/JSA defender. Maybe I'm just gullible, but the story behind the ball sounds legit to me. If the owner of the 3 Finger ball wanted to sell the ball, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in a major auction w/both a PSA & a JSA letter.

Jeremy heres the thing The guy that has the ball is a friend of mine and I dont believe he had selling the ball as an intent, a few of us that know him sort of coaxed him into getting it authenticated and appraised he has had it either in its origional box or displayed in a UV cube off and on over the years. Was a prized possesion of his dads and has always been glad to still have it.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by w7imel

PSA did not pass it, Jim said they gave him reasons but I didnt press him too much about it as I could tell he was really bummed out due to the fact the ball had been in the family so long. My only thought as to why not authenticated was that if you look at the ball there is a date written on it that is very faint, Maybe the signature was also at one point and either his dad or grandpa might have "touched it up" to make it dark again. Again just a idea. Dont think anyone will ever know.

Maybe PSA didn't pass it for the reason I previously stated. It's a forgery.

[w7imel]

Dave Im not ruling it out. Its not my ball. All I was ever saying is he had this ball in family possesion for several decades. Longer than it became cool to forge Mordicei Brown balls. Where would you get exampliers and the reason to forge in the early part of century?

[David Atkatz]

As Isaac Newton said concerning gravitation's strange action-at-a-distance, "hypothesis non fingo" (I frame no hypothesis.)
But I do know this: That ball is no good.

[w7imel]

Dave I have only been on site for a short while but from all the dealings I have had with you, you are of the opinion you are always 100 percent right and there isnt any room for even 1 percent of you to be wrong. I have known several people like you in my 44 years and to this day I ask myself "why do I even bother?" so with that being said Dave have a good day your right as always (if your not you will argue with the person until they give up). Im sure my buddy who has not ever collected a autograph in his life just decided to pick this one up from coaches corner and make up a lifetime full of stories about the ball just to have me hear listning to you about how you always have the answers. No need to reply Im over guys like you!

[Econteachert205]

Much has been said about the poor quality of the ball as a writing surface. I am more concerned with the poor quality of the pen in question. Take a look at the d. It appears to me as if there was an initial attempt to create a d which failed due to lack of ink or poor tip, then a second d was made. If the pen was not performing well it is possible the signer might have taken his time more than typically, creating the effect of a labored signature. The one element I don't love is the capital b. very rarely does brown use such a large loop between the first and second humps of the b. having said all of that I cannot be sure as to its authenticity.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

"hypothesis non fingo" (I frame no hypothesis.)

David, thanks, I think I'm going to try and work that one in on next semester's final exam essays. Sounds like a good phrase to use.

Mike