Honus Wagner- looking to begin a collection

[h2oya311]

E107, e90-2, then Henry Reccius (only two known)

Also like all the Wagner PCs shown before.

This has probably been covered before, but there was always the notion that the t206 was pulled due to Wagner's stance on tobacco use. Do we know the official reason yet? Regardless, you'll note that he is noticeably absent from almost all tobacco issues from that era, despite his immense popularity and the inclusion of his teammates in the sets (t205, Helmar Stamps, etc). Hope someone can shed some light on this (or share an old link if it's been covered before).

[terjung]

Top 5 Wagner cards for a high end collection:

if you can find them,

E107
W600
Pittsburg Leader
Novelty Cutlery PC
T5 Pinkerton cabinet

In my opinion, true scarcity trumps grade scarcity. In my personal Wagner collection, tend to prefer photographic images over art-based images.

Good luck!

[honus94566]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

E107, e90-2, then Henry Reccius (only two known)

Also like all the Wagner PCs shown before.

This has probably been covered before, but there was always the notion that the t206 was pulled due to Wagner's stance on tobacco use. Do we know the official reason yet? Regardless, you'll note that he is noticeably absent from almost all tobacco issues from that era, despite his immense popularity and the inclusion of his teammates in the sets (t205, Helmar Stamps, etc). Hope someone can shed some light on this (or share an old link if it's been covered before).

No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?

Here's the T216

[honus94566]

Here's the e107 Wagner that sold a couple of years back for over 100K!

[William Todd]

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by honus94566

No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?

T5 Pinkerton has 2 poses of Wagner.
T200 Pittsburgh Team has Wagner

[majordanby]

i had the opportunity to get an e90-2 wagner in an REA auction almost 10 years ago, but hesitated. ive regretted ever since.

[bobbvc]

Originally Posted by honus94566

No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?

There seems to be no debate amongst the biographers of Wagner. It's not that he was religiously anti-tobacco, he just didn't want to promote smoking cigarettes to kids. There is an article in a 1912 Baseball Magazine (forgot the month) where he is quoted saying that. He also sent a check for $10 to the sportswriter who was asked to get his permission for inclusion. ($10 is the amount the writer was to receive from the Tobacco company for Wagner's ok to be in the set). The holding out for more money theory does not work in any case considering the amount of candy issues he was in, clearly if any payment at all was made, it was less than players would have received from the Tobacco companies.
A contemporary comparison would be a celebrity who drinks alcohol but would not promote it in a TV commercial.
Unlikely Wagner knew about the T216 until too late to do anything about it. That said, I believe those are as rare as the T206 if not more so.
As for best Wagner cards, depending on budget I'd go with-
M110
W600 (either pose)
Orange Border (either pose)
Novelty Cutlery PC
Mike Wheat's T3 Fantasy piece ($20 on Ebay)
(I do not know MW- Just like that card)