Is this typical for SGC holders?

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

good luck with that...

IMO, SGC's silence is deafening. Unfortunately, many organizations believe that silence is the best way to handle "damage control." Personally, I'm much more inclined to patronize an organization that quickly steps up to the plate with a "mea culpa" coupled with a vow to remedy the problem.
Val

[brewing]

The slab in my opinion the weakest part of SGC.

The slippage seems to occur with the thinner prewar cards. If a thicker gasket is not possible then maybe they could add plastic bumpers like PSA.

I'd love to see them improve the slab by making them smaller and more tamper resistant.

Brent Ingr@ m

[The Nasty Nati]

SGC's biggest problem with their gaskets indeed seem to be for the smaller tobacco cards. I found this highly ironic because T206's are SGC's bread and butter and yet the gasket for those cards hardly ever fit properly. I understand T206s have different sizes, but that shouldn't be a reason SGC can't make a gasket that fits all T206s. PSA has done it, SGC needs to figure out a solution. My suggestion would to make the gasket plastic and not hand cut cardboard. Of course to stick with the lovely black gasket, I'd make the plastic black to still standout from PSA.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

SGC's biggest problem with their gaskets indeed seem to be for the smaller tobacco cards. I found this highly ironic because T206's are SGC's bread and butter and yet the gasket for those cards hardly ever fit properly. I understand T206s have different sizes, but that shouldn't be a reason SGC can't make a gasket that fits all T206s. PSA has done it, SGC needs to figure out a solution. My suggestion would to make the gasket plastic and not hand cut cardboard. Of course to stick with the lovely black gasket, I'd make the plastic black to still standout from PSA.

Gaskets for oversized cards are as bad, if not worse, than the standard sized holder for tobacco cards; there are just fewer cards in these holders in terms of volume.


Essentially all of SGC's gaskets seem to be a problem from what I have seen.

[bunst]

My suggestion would to make the gasket plastic and not hand cut cardboard. Of course to stick with the lovely black gasket, I'd make the plastic black to still standout from PSA.

I believe they are plastic. At least the ones I have cracked out were thin and flimsy plastic. This gasket problem is not just an inconvenience or aesthetic issue. 2 out of the 3 T206's in SGC slabs I received recently were out of place and corners were damaged as a result. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT RISK OF DAMAGE TO CARDS BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

SGC's biggest problem with their gaskets indeed seem to be for the smaller tobacco cards. I found this highly ironic because T206's are SGC's bread and butter and yet the gasket for those cards hardly ever fit properly. I understand T206s have different sizes, but that shouldn't be a reason SGC can't make a gasket that fits all T206s. PSA has done it, SGC needs to figure out a solution. My suggestion would to make the gasket plastic and not hand cut cardboard. Of course to stick with the lovely black gasket, I'd make the plastic black to still standout from PSA.

Just a thicker paper stock would make a world of difference. If the gasket is thicker than the card, the card can't escape it!

[SGC]

Hi Guys,

We realize that we are a little late responding to this thread. We have been looking into the issue and waiting to respond until we had some useful information. So to the question, "Is this typical for SGC holders?" The answer to that question is "no" and it seems to be an issue with the insert we use for T206 sized cards. Most of the people on this board have been submitting cards to SGC for years without experiencing cards moving within the holder so we are confident that this issue is isolated.

We believe the black insert adds much appeal to our product, however it is sometimes difficult to have the card remain in place if the insert is not produced properly. This is especially true for cards that are undersized for the issue or cards that are of thin card stock. Any slight variance in the insert can cause card movement. We have gone through our inventory and discovered that some of the inserts that we use for T206 sized cards had some minor warping. This warping can disturb the precision of the fit and create space allowing for movement. We have also noticed a slight difference in size of the die-cut or opening where the card sits. The dies that are used to make the inserts wear down (producing a less precise cut) over time and we have had new ones produced over the years by our manufacturer. As best as we can determine, it appears that the cards that have shifted in the holder were encapsulated with inserts cut from an older die, some with larger openings.

Going forward we will be adding to our Quality Control process a visual inspection of the inserts to ensure that the die cut opening is uniform and free of warping.

For those of you who have received cards that have shifted in the holder, we ask that you return them to SGC so they can be re-holdered with a proper fitting insert. This will be done free of charge.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and please know that we are working hard to make sure that these issues do not occur going forward. We appreciate your patience, understanding and loyalty.

Regards,

Sean Skeffington
SGC

If anyone has any questions, please contact me directly at sskeffington@sgccard.com

[toledo_mudhen]

Pretty sure that I have never seen attorney Joe Orlando address ANY issue up close and personal on a public forum. Just sayin...........

[GoldenAge50s]

That's good enough for me!

Thanks Sean, for addressing the problem and more importantly, for promising to FIX the problem!

[t206blogcom]

Good to see SGC addressing the issues!

[Luke]

Nice post Sean. I like SGC for my tobacco and caramel cards, and I personally have never had this problem. If I had, I would be very pleased by your offer to re-holder the cards with warped holders.