Success with resubmission of "trimmed" cards?

[iwantitiwinit]

Trimmed in my opinion but you should have a much clearer view. Don't let your hopes cloud your view.

[yankees23]

I sent a 51' Bowman Mays to SGC and it came back as being trimmed. I then sent it to PSA and they gave it a 4. Card matched up size wise to others and even had 4 relatively rounded corners. Not sure what SGC saw.

[Jetsfan]

So here's a scan. to me the scan is worse that the photo, but maybe it's a little better for seeing the corners. Not sure why it looks so bad, but maybe I just have a crappy scanner.

For what it's worth, the only reason I didn't think it was trimmed was because the condition didn't seem to warrant someone trimming it. Also, it measures up on size compared with other T206 that have received number grades. Several other cards I bought from the same dealer about 25 years ago all received number grades. But you all know far more about this than I.

[ullmandds]

Looks trimmed in the scan

[vthobby]

To me it looks like maybe someone tried to "even" the miscut up on the left vertical border. They either thought that it looked good (it doesn't) or they realized that they had screwed the card up even more and they gave up hoping it might pass as a slightly miscut card.

If you are going to sell it, I would not bother sending it to TPG and just put a disclaimer in that it is sold "as is" due to possible trimming. My 2 cents.

peace, mike

[Jetsfan]

Thanks for the advice. I'm certainly disappointed. Oh, well. Sounds like I'm not the first person on the board to have been burned by a trimmed card. When I bought it I thought cards from that era could be cut in ways that weren't quite perfect. Wish you guys were around in 1990 when I bought it...kind of feel like a sucker.

[vthobby]

Adam,

Unfortunately we have to mistakes in this hobby to learn. (much like life in general)

If someone tells you they have never been burned or made a mistake then they are lying or conveniently forgetting the truth or they are the "Bubble Boy" and have never been outside that little bubble!

If you PM me, I will tell you my TPG trimmed horror story "lesson learned" and it was painful!

Take care.

Peace, Mike

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Jetsfan

Thanks for the advice. I'm certainly disappointed. Oh, well. Sounds like I'm not the first person on the board to have been burned by a trimmed card. When I bought it I thought cards from that era could be cut in ways that weren't quite perfect. Wish you guys were around in 1990 when I bought it...kind of feel like a sucker.

The upper left corner looks a like it was trimmed slightly. Corner wear can be a tough call. Too uneven is sometimes a sign of trimming, too regular and even is also a bad sign. Both can also be just fine. I saw one batch that had been stored in a narrow box for a really long time. All the lower corners were rounded, all the tops were fairly nice. At a quick glance they looked trimmed.

The edge quality is the real key. The cutters would generally leave the front edge slightly rounded and a little ridge on the back side that typically shows some chipping. A sharp crisp edge front and back is usually a bad sign. But a newly sharpened blade will get pretty close to a sharp edge. A dull blade leaves a very ragged cut.

Cards from that era can have odd cuts.

A diamond cut on the sides of a T206 is unusual, but not impossible. Cards that are oversize and undersize are fairly common. Two of the ones I've sent in are nice, but didn't make the minimum size.

Than there's the cuts that are just odd. Like this one caused by some debris in or under the stack of sheets being cut, probably a bit of wood coming off the strip the blade goes into underneath the stack.

Is it trimmed? Nope. Will it grade? Probably not, and that's not a bad thing. Not understanding the edge quality makes some people see every slightly undersize card as a TPG mistake, if it graded, it would be viewed as a really bad mistake. They do make mistakes, as we all do. I have a few trimmed cards, and a couple I'm not sure about.



And one that wouldn't grade because the top and bottom cuts are just too rough.




Steve B