REA winners and losers

[philliesphan]

A few surprises, price-wise:

I thought the T206 Magie error SGC 40 went rather low.

Was surprised by the very strong prices on the following:
*Doolan Batting Lenox Back (went for Brown Lenox price point!)
*Phillies Rose PC postcards -- team set went for $9,600, or $800/per.

Some of the modern insert cards went for crazy prices; and I think REA didn't market many of them well ($300 opening bids for lots that went over $10k, sometimes over $20k). But quite a few people were watching them and bid in full force in the last day.

A fun auction for sure -- the first REA in a long time where I haven't won a thing :/

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Thanks man, Huggins had a SGC 10 last week that sold for 3k, (and also had the throwing card as well-lots #12&13) It was spectacular. I was a fellow underbidder on it.
But i knew i had a shot at this one. You had me at my max. Atcually thought it just top out at 2k, thats why i bumped it just pass it.
I looked at my emails this afternoon, and just knew when i saw those auto-bids, that i had lost, but i got lucky on a low pop specimen.
I talked to MattyC about this one, because i knew he had one, but said he sold his highest graded one(grade 2) at the convention show

Yeah, I was watching the Huggins Scott ones too.. Those were both really nice.

This one caught my attention because it had the combo of being nice and carrying an "A", so was hoping it would go lower than a numeric grade. I was pretty fired up to bid after hours, thinking I'd snag it around $2K.. But eventually tapped out after 2-3 bids.

Numeric grades seem sorta meaningless to me on these cuz unless they have the coupon, they're all cut. In this case, it got an A for a wavy top border, but seemed a fair trade for a straight bottom, and the pic looked great. If you ever part with it, or upgrade I'd definitely be interested.. Otherwise enjoy!

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

A fun auction for sure -- the first REA in a long time where I haven't won a thing :/

+1

[GregMitch34]

You can never know for sure but I'd guess some consignors really hurt by the super-dark and muddy scans in the catalog. I know it's said "everyone also goes online" but some higher-grade cards may suffer when the first and maybe lasting impression is that they are pretty weak for the grade (tan, not white, borders etc.)....Not a "second guess" since I pointed this out as soon as the catalogs arrived, and I know some other consignors feel the same way....certainly makes me think twice about consigning again.

[Joe_G.]

Congrats to all. I'm happy to add a Jimmy Manning Tomlinson pose I needed.

[Fred]

Anybody want to claim winning the 31 card lot of N172 Indy players?

[MVSNYC]

Some nice pick ups, guys...I got this Highlanders Stub to go with my Boston American Stub from same period...Also got this Matty EPDG to go with my Matty CB.

[Donscards]

I sold my psa 5 Mantle 6 months ago---I won the psa 3 Mantle in REA auction--always nice to have a Mantle.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by e107collector

Thoughts on the Ruth rookie - Lot #1?

I felt the card would've gone close to $100K, based on prior sales of similar graded Ruth rookies recently.

I know the card had a blank back, print line, and was off center, but do board members think that the recent Ruth craze the last 2 years might be cooling off? Thoughts?

Tony

Tony,

Slightly lower than I thought but not overall shocking. I figured in the $90K range. Keep in mind there are 3 high-end cards in the hobby that realize incredible pricing disparities based on their centering...the Ruth Rookie, 51 Bowman Mantle and 52 Topps Mantle. I've seen up to 40% shortfalls on pricing points for these 3 cards due to an off-centering issue.

Joe T.

[markf31]

I was a loser on many lots, pretty much expected that but I was extremely happy with my one win. My first cabinet.

Buckenberger was also an early president and manager for Pittsburgh.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Tony,

Slightly lower than I thought but not overall shocking. I figured in the $90K range. Keep in mind there are 3 high-end cards in the hobby that realize incredible pricing disparities based on their centering...the Ruth Rookie, 51 Bowman Mantle and 52 Topps Mantle. I've seen up to 40% shortfalls on pricing points for these 3 cards due to an off-centering issue.

Joe T.

Joe is spot-on here. I believe a dead-centered SGC 5.5-- the same grade as the REA offering-- just sold for $140,000.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by markf31

I was a loser on many lots, pretty much expected that but I was extremely happy with my one win. My first cabinet.

Buckenberger was also an early president and manager for Pittsburgh.

Nice cabinet! I somehow missed seeing that one during my semi-annual REA online/catalog review...love the clarity and contrast of that cabinet!

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by Donscards

I sold my psa 5 Mantle 6 months ago---I won the psa 3 Mantle in REA auction--always nice to have a Mantle.

wow! great looking card. nice pick up.

[Howe’s Hunter]

I passed on lot 220, with the McCormick stamp, and instead turned my attention to another lot, when a board member offered a trade of two McCormick stamped cards (one a Hindu back, the other a Piedmont) in exchange for one of the other cards in the auction. Two for just a bit more than the cost of one seemed like a good move on my part.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Nice pick up Adam, I was debating about going after that and/or the Winthrop, but ultimately decided I need to cut back a little on the spending for my personal collection.

DJ

I really wanted the Winthrop more but it exceeded my price point pretty quickly. Would have gone great with this one:



The Brown flip book was a last ditch at the edge of my price bubble bid that I could not believe held.

[tbob]

I've been taken a break from pre-war until the cards I need like Home Run Kisses and T210s start appearing again, so I was happy to complete my Topps set run with a nice 1961 set.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Personally I think the ruth rookie went for the right amount. IT seems latley there has been a ruth rookie in almost every major auction...this is not a super rare card...and apparently there are only so many people willing to spend high 5 figures on this card.

I see more of a stabilization of early ruth cards...esp the more common ones...but I still think the tougher ones...as well as the high grade will continue to sell for big money.

+1. My guess would be that there might be 200 or so of these cards with all of the various backs around. It is tough enough, but they do come up with a pretty fair amount of regularity. I agree it was time for it to level off a bit--it certainly is THE CARD to have, but is just as certainly not ultra rare.

I lost out on the 1946-47 Propaganda Montiel Musial, going as high as $960 (including buyer's premium), which was as high as I wanted to go. Didn't really like the eye appeal, despite its being the highest graded. Was stunned to see it go for just over $2K with premium!

Highest regards,

Larry

[Runscott]

I was interested in the photo lot from Ross Youngs' estate that had two Babe Ruth pics, but wasn't willing to go that high. I think the price was fair though.

Ended up with this:

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

I lost out on the 1946-47 Propaganda Montiel Musial, going as high as $960 (including buyer's premium), which was as high as I wanted to go. Didn't really like the eye appeal, despite its being the highest graded. Was stunned to see it go for just over $2K with premium!

Highest regards,

Larry

Larry - I couldn't believe it either. I was watching that lot closely. You'll be happy to know that there will be another for sale shortly (PWCC) w/ nice eye-appeal and graded just a notch lower. Yes, shameless plug, but I've gotta pay for my addiction somehow, right?

Here's my one win from Saturday night's REA auction:

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I was interested in the photo lot from Ross Youngs' estate that had two Babe Ruth pics, but wasn't willing to go that high. I think the price was fair though.

Ended up with this:

Nice consolation prize Scott!

Tom C

[Runscott]

Thanks Tom, I was surprised to wake up to the winning bidder notice.

Derek - that Cartwright cabinet is fabulous - one of my favorite lots in the auction.

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by vintagewhitesox

wow! great looking card. nice pick up.

Thanks Josh. I always love a Mickey 52

[bgar3]

Derek, well done with the Cartwright.

[h2oya311]

Thanks Scott and Bruce!

Bruce, were you able to get anything this weekend? The one that "had your name written all over it" went for a hefty sum. Hopefully it's yours!

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Congrats to all. I'm happy to add a Jimmy Manning Tomlinson pose I needed.

Joe I put an initial bid on the card, but I was pretty sure you would be bidding for it and did not bid any further

Joe

[LincolnVT]

The Ruth rookie related items and the autographed ball seem to continue to bring top dollar. Great auction.

[ValKehl]

I was the bridesmaid for the card that I wanted most, the E223 G & B Chewing Gum card: https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...x?itemid=32115

Also, I'm curious if a Board member won the lot of 100 different T209-2 cards.
Val

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

I lost out on the 1946-47 Propaganda Montiel Musial, going as high as $960 (including buyer's premium), which was as high as I wanted to go. Didn't really like the eye appeal, despite its being the highest graded. Was stunned to see it go for just over $2K with premium!

Highest regards,

Larry

Yeah, that was mine. It's surprising if you compare it to the other Montiel Musial sales but not as much if you look at other "1 of 1 highest graded" cards. And it's an amazing bargain if you compare it to the prices of the highest graded rookie cards of the other top hitters -- Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Wagner, Mays, Aaron, Gehrig, Hornsby, Speaker, Mantle. Those generally go for something on the order of $100,000. They also tend to be nice and minty, but it's not Stan's fault all his rookie cards were stored in Cuba for 50 years.

The eye appeal wasn't anything special I'll admit, but I think it matched the technical grade. Most of the Musial rookies just look poor.

[Bicem]

Those Tomlinsons in the auction were awesome, nice pickup.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Those Tomlinsons in the auction were awesome, nice pickup.

+1

If anyone has a Big Sam Thompson from this set and wants to make a new friend, you know where to find me!!

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

A few surprises, price-wise:

Some of the modern insert cards went for crazy prices; and I think REA didn't market many of them well ($300 opening bids for lots that went over $10k, sometimes over $20k). But quite a few people were watching them and bid in full force in the last day.

A fun auction for sure -- the first REA in a long time where I haven't won a thing :/

Actually I believe that is great marketing, more people get sucked in and think they have a chance to steal, er win an item. The lower you can start items and feel comfortable the better off you are

[Joe_G.]

Thanks Joe M., Jeff, & Derek.

Originally Posted by h2oya311

If anyone has a Big Sam Thompson from this set and wants to make a new friend, you know where to find me!!

Sam is a toughie. I've been tracking the cards since I landed my first copy in 1990 with many of them surfacing over the last 12 years. I'm aware of 60 1886 cabinets split between 13 players and manager Watkins. The rarest player on the list is Big Sam with only two copies. If you discriminate by pose there are some unique cabinets such as the portraits of Dan Brouthers and Deacon White. Out of curiosity, why have you singled out Big Sam Thompson ??

[h2oya311]

Joe - I'm undertaking the true "monster", the HOF rookie card "set"! I prefer cards/cabinets with individual images, so the Tomlinson would be Thompson's first appearance on a card, to my knowledge. I'd much prefer the Tomlinson Cabinet over the 1886 Lorillard's Detroit Team Cabinet.

Thanks for the insight about the population of this card and the other Tomlinson cabinets. I knew it was scarce, but had no idea that there are only two known.

[Joe_G.]

Ah, I see.

You may already know this, but the Detroit Lorillard is based on the portraits taken at Tomlinson Studio (Lorillard gives credit to Tomlinson in the lower right corner of card). Ads to purchase Tomlinson cabinets began appearing the day after the photos were taken (April 27th 1886 photo shoot) while the team schedule found on back of Lorillard begins in early June. So while the Tomlinson cabinet start of production certainly pre-dates the Lorillard there was certainly some overlap.

PS - Your best bet to obtain a Thompson Tomlinson cabinet will be for a 3rd one to surface. Best of luck!

[h2oya311]

Joe - thanks for the info. Sounds like the two Thompson's are buried deep in advanced collections. I'm pretty young, so hopefully the heirs of these cards won't want them 10-50 years from now, assuming I can make it that long!!

It reminds me of the story about the two friends who encounter a lion...the one says to the other, you can't outrun it. His "friend" turns to him and says, I don't need to outrun the lion, I just need to outrun you!!

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Joe - thanks for the info. Sounds like the two Thompson's are buried deep in advanced collections. I'm pretty young, so hopefully the heirs of these cards won't want them 10-50 years from now, assuming I can make it that long!!

It reminds me of the story about the two friends who encounter a lion...the one says to the other, you can't outrun it. His "friend" turns to him and says, I don't need to outrun the lion, I just need to outrun you!!

So your collecting strategy is to wait for other collectors to die? That's pretty morbid.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

So your collecting strategy is to wait for other collectors to die? That's pretty morbid.

Damn...I hope that's not going to be how I get my nadja Miller!!!!!

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

So your collecting strategy is to wait for other collectors to die? That's pretty morbid.

I work for a life insurance company.

Honestly, we've had so many threads about fellow members dying and "are you worried about our hobby dying?", "have you talked to your family about what to do with your collection when you meet your maker", the Bruce(s), the Richard Merkin collection, etc. that it's hard not to think about it.

And no, that's not my "strategy". Admittedly, my post didn't correctly relay my attempt at dark humor. If I'm fortunate enough to not have to sell my collection before my death, I'll be sad to miss out on what my collection realizes at auction after death. That'll be a good auction IMO!

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Damn...I hope that's not going to be how I get my nadja Miller!!!!!

Pete, do I need to start worring about a hit man?

[ullmandds]

ha ha...for a baseball card...no worries!!!!!

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ha ha...for a baseball card...no worries!!!!!

Pete, I keep hoping that I'll find a Nadja Miller lying on the ground somewhere so that I can trade it to you for one of those E105 Millers!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Pete, I keep hoping that I'll find a Nadja Miller lying on the ground somewhere so that I can trade it to you for one of those E105 Millers!

ha ha...like finding a golden ticket!!!!! That e105 miller is my only hope!!!!!