If the Redskins change their name, how will it affect the collecting hobby?

[packs]

I just think you are too hardline on your definitions. Redskin is a slur in context. So is Indian. So is Chief.

Redskins today is a slur. Indian today is a slur. But at the time I don't think you can argue any other way than it was a misguided sense of tribute.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by packs

I just think you are too hardline on your definitions. Redskin is a slur in context. So is Indian. So is Chief.

Redskins today is a slur. Indian today is a slur. But at the time I don't think you can argue any other way than it was a misguided sense of tribute.

This is patently false. This part is factually wrong.

Redskins is a slur OUT of context. It is a slur no matter what, because that's the definition of the word.

Indian and chief and brave can be slurs IN context. But that is true of almost any noun.

[packs]

I think the name is a problem. But I think the same problem exists for Braves, Chiefs, and Indians. We are in agreement over Redskins but not the others.

While you think Braves, Chiefs, and Indians are harmless or titles of respect, I don't think you can make that decision for Native Americans. If they are offended by the titles, then their feelings about them should be just as important as those for Redskins.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by packs

I think the name is a problem. But I think the same problem exists for Braves, Chiefs, and Indians. We are in agreement over Redskins but not the others.

While you think Braves, Chiefs, and Indians are harmless or titles of respect, I don't think you can make that decision for Native Americans. If they are offended by the titles, then their feelings about them should be just as important as those for Redskins.

Just to clarify, if Native Americans find Braves, Chiefs and Indians to be offensive, then by all means, change those too. I think a fair argument can be made for and (I suppose) against those.

Redskins on the other hand is indefensible from my point of view. It's a slur any way you look at it. And you don't even need to ask a Native American...its right there in the dictionary.

[bnorth]

David like always great post.

On these type threads I try to limit myself to 1 post, I just couldn't this time.

This is in my area only and could be very different where you live but Indians here couldn't give two shits about the Washington Redskins name. At the same time my Indian friends and relatives are way more concerned with the terms Native American and Indian. Like I said in my earlier post it is all about age. Those of us over 40 are offended by Native American because in the 70's-80's Native was used as a racial slur and now we are supposed to accept it.

Sorry for the rant carry on.

[EvilKing00]

Nothing will change in collecting, there are many offensive cards that are bought and sold, its history