1872 Warren CDVs of Boston players - what did original composite look like?

[h2oya311]

Figured I'd lift this thread back to the top with my recent acquisition and brief discussion on the October Pickups thread. This O'Rourke is the same one from the 1991 Sotheby's "Copeland" Auction that Kevin mentioned earlier in this thread:



As you can see, my O'Rourke has the same reverse and writing on front as Gary's R. Barnes. The Copeland Auction also had these two CDV's of G. Wright and Cal McVey (scans courtesy of Bruce Garland). They, too, have the same pencil writing on front.



One would assume that all of these "pencil notation" Warren CDV's would have been issued during the same year. All Warren CDV's are commonly thought to have been issued in 1872. However, O'Rourke didn't join the Boston club until 1873 and McVey left the club after the 1872 season to play for Baltimore before coming back to play in 1874. The only season that all four (G. Wright, J. O'Rourke, C. McVey, and R. Barnes) played for Boston was in 1874 and 1875. I believe these particular Warren Studio CDV's were all issued in 1874 and/or 1875. If a Jack Manning, Jumbo Latham, or Frank Heifer ever materialize, we could conclude that they were issued in 1875, otherwise, it would be impossible to know for sure.

Any thoughts?

[barrysloate]

Warren issued these baseball images for several years. I think we once determined that the Warren cabinets were issued between 1872 and 1874, but I forget what the analysis was. They did come with different background styles, suggesting at minimum different photo shoots.

[Runscott]

Here's a page that I created many years ago. Unfortunately the quality of the opening page has been degraded, for unknown reasons

I created this page back in the old days, when web-page creators gave credit for the images they used

http://www.t206themonster.com/1872boston.html

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Warren issued these baseball images for several years. I think we once determined that the Warren cabinets were issued between 1872 and 1874, but I forget what the analysis was. They did come with different background styles, suggesting at minimum different photo shoots.

Barry, perhaps I should have been more clear. I was referring only to those CDVs with the "pencil names" on bottom w/ the Warren Studio credit on the rear of the CDV. I have no doubt that the analysis done on the other Warren Studio CDV's and cabinets w/ the credit on the front bottom left is sound w/r/t the dating.

Scott, looks like some of the links to the CDV's point to the wrong player at times. It's a cool concept though.

edited to add: I looked back at the thread and saw that Kevin referred to an 1873 Boston Team Cabinet Photo by Richardson (sold by Mastro in 2007). It does appear that the O'Rourke image is the same as the one on my CDV, suggesting that the image was taken in 1873 (O'Rourke's first year on the club). It's interesting that McVey was not on the club that year but the background and style of his CDV are similar to those of O'Rourke, Wright, McVey, and Barnes. Do we know when McVey left for Baltimore (or returned to Boston)? Perhaps these were taken in the offseason?

[JeremyW]

I'm not sure if this helps the discussion at all, but here's an image I saved.

[GaryPassamonte]

Given the Ryan is for sale in the BST section, I thought I'd resurrect this thread and see if there are any updates.

This image is from the Spalding exhibit in Bryon, Il. I've seen the two Wrights in uniform in cdv form, but not the rest.

[barrysloate]

Thanks for resurrecting this thread Gary, I enjoyed reading through it. This was one of my favorite finds. As I recall, I bought this as a display piece, and planned to sell it as a display piece. And then one day I had a eureka moment, and it hit me that this wasn't actually a mammoth photo but a composite of eleven individual CdV's. I hated to see it broken up, but it was clear to me that that was where it was headed.

The Ryan on BST was the first one I've seen for sale in many years. And of course the highlight of the group was Al Spalding. There are plenty of photos of both Wrights and O'Rourke, but individual photos of Spalding are very scarce.

[bgar3]

I now have the George Wright?